Match Reaction: Bayern Munich 5 Arsenal 1

[Letters]

Wenger keeps setting records on how bad a result we can get.

Making stuff up

EDIT: He also 'keeps' setting records in the FA Cup but yeah, let's focus on the negative, as always.

As for whether we'll win the league, that remains to be seen but your predictions so far about our 'poor' start haven't stacked up. Right now we're in contention, that's all you can ask at this stage. We've shown we can win big games, we've shown we can win trophies, we've finally got enough world class players to give us a chance. Let's see what happens. If we're champions come May I won't be crying about a bad result away against a side as good as Bayern.

[Niall_Quinn]

Making stuff up

EDIT: He also 'keeps' setting records in the FA Cup but yeah, let's focus on the negative, as always.

As for whether we'll win the league, that remains to be seen but your predictions so far about our 'poor' start haven't stacked up. Right now we're in contention, that's all you can ask at this stage. We've shown we can win big games, we've shown we can win trophies, we've finally got enough world class players to give us a chance. Let's see what happens. If we're champions come May I won't be crying about a bad result away against a side as good as Bayern.

Nobody is crying about anything. People are pointing out the flaws in our manager and how they surface repetitively. I said a while back we might win a title Liverpool with Suarez style. Not early Wenger style though, or Utd when they were in charge style, or even the shitty chavs when they were unbeatable at home style. All those teams had an authority about them. We do sometimes too, on a good day. But on a bad day

The manager is the problem. This squad probably is good enough to win a title. We just need that final piece in place.

[Letters]

So the solution is to get a different manager with different flaws? Probably more serious ones - a lot of the people touted as possible replacements on here haven't been tearing it up anywhere else. Even Saint Jose is coming unstuck this season - he's a good manager, clearly, but such a horrible **** that it seems no-one can stick working with him for long. We have bad days, sure. So does every team. The question is will we have enough of them to stop us challenging. We haven't so far, or rather our bad days have been in Cup competitions mostly, we've had a couple of bad league results too but every team gets those. For now, we're challenging. For now that's enough.

Wenger's won us 3 titles, he's been somewhat hamstrung by the stadium in the last 10 years right at the time the billionaires have been running amok. I honestly think without that we'd have won some more titles in the last decade. With the new financial deals we're finally more able to compete and signings like Ozil, Sanchez and Cech have made a clear difference - and shown that the idea that Wenger hates spending money is a myth. We should have challenged last year but we got off to a bad start and gave ourselves no chance before we'd got going. Should Wenger have been sacked for that? Arguably, but the FA Cup win bought him some more time. This year it's time to challenge properly. We are so far - despite some people's early season predictions. Keep doing so and I'll believe we have a chance. If we don't challenge properly this season then I agree he should be sacked but he's earned the right to try IMO.

[Power n Glory]

We have a chance of winning the league and it's even better than the chance we had when Fergie retired and we had just bought Ozil. Utd are still struggling for form but still in the race. But we have nothing to fear from them. Chelsea are in bad shape. Liverpool are in transition. City are the odds on favs to win the league but they have flaws too. We should be in with a chance but I'm not as optimistic because of the lack of signings and injury problems. Bayern are a very good side and I won't read too much into the defeat but we went out there with the wrong attitude. Wenger is going to have to whip his players into shape for key moments in the season or the wheels will fall off. If the players need to step their game up and be consistent, he has to step his game up and not do the usual he does every season. His man management, motivation and tactics have to be stretched. He can't do what he's been doing for the past 10 years and expect things to fall into place for us.

[Xhaka Can’t]

We have a chance of winning the league and it's even better than the chance we had when Fergie retired and we had just bought Ozil. Utd are still struggling for form but still in the race. But we have nothing to fear from them. Chelsea are in bad shape. Liverpool are in transition. City are the odds on favs to win the league but they have flaws too. We should be in with a chance but I'm not as optimistic because of the lack of signings and injury problems. Bayern are a very good side and I won't read too much into the defeat but we went out there with the wrong attitude. Wenger is going to have to whip his players into shape for key moments in the season or the wheels will fall off. If the players need to step their game up and be consistent, he has to step his game up and not do the usual he does every season. His man management, motivation and tactics have to be stretched. He can't do what he's been doing for the past 10 years and expect things to fall into place for us.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

NQ, we don't play football in a vacuum, where the other team aren't able to prepare heavily themselves to counter our (probable) team or adapt accordingly to whatever tactics we're employing on the pitch at the time.

Nor are all our players emotionless drones who will follow every single instruction given to them throughout the 90 minutes without fail.

It's not Wenger's fault that Gabriel had a moment of hesitation and then was too slow in trying to to play Lewadonski offside which resulted in him scoring the first goal. Sure it may have looked in hindsight that not pressing Thiago was mistake, but if Gabriel did his job properly the ball would have floated harmlessly to Cech or Lewadonski would have been ruled offside and if would been another example of our tactics resulting in meaningless sterile possession from Bayern.

I don't think there was anything wrong with the tactics we employed per say, we just executed them extremely poorly with too many individual mistakes which cost us goals. The first goal coming as early as it did, also didn't help things as it seemed to kill some of our resolve.

The only thing I kind of agree with you is that we should have played Gibbs to give us some much needed pace up front, however at the expense of Campbell who looked out of his depth.

I think you're being incredibly harsh here on Wenger ..... this is some of the severest WOB stuff I've seen around on the internet and I often follow some of the prominent Arsenal accounts on twitter.

Honestly, I'm surprised you're not a treble winning manager yourself if it's as straightforward as you make out.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yeah, we just have to suck it up.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why do you have to be a treble winning manager to spot a young player getting murdered? In fact, why can't a manager with Wenger's credentials spot that and react accordingly? And why can't he predict it in the first place? It's not my amateurism that's the problem, it's his.

[Power n Glory]

I think you're picking him apart at the wrong time. If we had Kos on the pitch we made have made a better go of it. Same goes for Bellerin and Theo. I wouldn't have chosen this game to test Sanchez up front, Campbell played well in his last game and Bayern have really been pummelling teams. I wouldn't say Wenger got things badly wrong for this game. I'll only criticise the mentality we went out there with.