Really?Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That is a pretty strange combination.
I think Wenger should go if we don't seriously challenge for the title this year but having just won the FA Cup and so far this season being 2nd and having qualified for the last 16 of the CL, it would be a strange time to sack the manager.
Not really. I think the players will g themselves up and prepare themselves mentally for this game because they won’t want to be embarrassed. It’s happened before. Believing we can win against some of the best is different to believing he can win us the league and CL. Also, I’m not the only one that would rather see him leave on a high. If we happen to win the league this year, I can’t see him defending the title successfully or keeping the team together.
I am with PnG on this one. To me it boils down to a simple question "Will Wenger make us an European power or a dominant English team?" The answer to that is no, and I think a club with Arsenal's resources should be answering that yes.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
With all the money sloshing around it's quite hard to see how anyone will be a dominant English team. I expect us to be in the title mix most seasons, I think Wenger can deliver that.
As for a European power, City and Chelsea haven't managed that with all their squillions, I'm not sure how realistic an expectation that is. But I do agree Wenger's record in the CL smells a bit. It's impressive to qualify from the group stage a million years in a row, but disappointing how seldom we've got further than that.
Unfortunately, I do not see us being in the title mix every season with Wenger in charge.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
I do agree in part, I don't see why with our resources it should make us a power house of European football, even English football is getting harder. The billionaire clubs don't need the owners money anymore to spend big. The English league is a lot more competitive and I think that is why we are performing worse in Europe as you cant coast (perhaps Villa aside) through games anymore. Its hard to rotate players when you have to play to your best to get the points. Bayern, Barca, Real can coast through games. It isn't as physical and there resources far outstrip anyone else in those respective leagues.
Personally I don't care if we dominate or not, unless we are full of superstar players like Vieira, Henry, Bergkamp, Pires etc then I actually prefer competitive football.... as long as we still win. although there were times when we had those players that we had to have a player sent off to make the game a bit more even.
So what happened to not being able to compete with the oil baron clubs? Goal posts are being shifted in a major way. What money have Leicester spent to be top of the table? Yes, the Prem is flushed with money but you guys can't look at the table midway through the season and assume you're seeing a regular pattern or an emerging pattern.
City, Chelsea and Man City have some serious spoilt primma donna's on their team that won't do the very basics. The league is competitive and I'm impressed with the way lower teams are playing but our rivals are playing below par. Let's not get carried away. If they were playing out of their skin and still losing then there would be a much stronger argument. But what we're seeing from the top teams is disgraceful and I'd say we're seeing more of a pattern of players sulking on the pitch to get their way. City and Chelsea have gone through so many managers they've created a rotten foundation for themselves because they have mercenaries throughout their ranks. This is what happens when you don't invest in youth and have players that came through the ranks. When you pay over the odds for toe rags too early and know when the going gets tough they can check out with a hefty cheque anytime they want. Look at Di Maria and David Luis. Football is going down the shitter.
Replace 'disgraceful' with 'bizzare' and I'm with you...
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Well yes, but the goalposts have shifted. 10 years ago we had the double whammy of the stadium move restricting our spending and Chelsea and City spunking money like it was going out of fashion.
In that era it was hard for us to compete with them. Now our circumstances have changed. We've paid off a lot of the stadium debt, we have new sponsorship deals in place and maybe FFP will have some effect. And the new TV deals mean there's more money across the board, the billionaires money will be less effective and buying up every trophy now the new financial deals have somewhat levelled the playing field.
I don't think anyone could have predicted what Leicester are doing. But they are a rare exception to the general trend that money and success in football are highly correlated.
Has been for yearsFootball is going down the shitter.
I thought City have only really been spending the money in the last 5 years so 10 years ago it was only Chelsea. Also 10 years ago we were the top team, everyone was playing catch up with us. FFP wont have any affect with the new TV deals meaning City and Chelsea will make a profit, in fact that is probably what is going to make the league even more competitive as the TV money far outweighs the size of stadium etc benefits.Well yes, but the goalposts have shifted. 10 years ago we had the double whammy of the stadium move restricting our spending and Chelsea and City spunking money like it was going out of fashion.
In that era it was hard for us to compete with them. Now our circumstances have changed. We've paid off a lot of the stadium debt, we have new sponsorship deals in place and maybe FFP will have some effect. And the new TV deals mean there's more money across the board, the billionaires money will be less effective and buying up every trophy now the new financial deals have somewhat levelled the playing field.
I don't think anyone could have predicted what Leicester are doing. But they are a rare exception to the general trend that money and success in football are highly correlated.
Has been for years
Without a large influx of cash there is no way Chelsea or City would have won the league. But despite there spending United still won the league without having to match that spend.
I do think the fact the league is more competitive actually helps us as all teams (except Villa) can take points of all other teams. We are capable of dropping points against anyone regardless but not with other teams doing it... means no one team can run away with the league.
I do think we have a great chance this season and it would be disappointing if it doesn't go down to the wire this season with or even without any new signings.
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