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    Quote Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico View Post
    Aguero, Kane, Lukaku and Marital are the only better ones. And out of those only Lukaku is attaianable.

    - Sturridge? Don't we have enough injury crocks as it is?
    - Benteke?
    - Igalho? Decent but too early to say if it's just a purple patch.
    - Vardy? See above
    - Bony?
    - Costa? If we were looking for fat WWE fighter perhaps.
    All of the above would score more goals for us due to the chances we create & all would offer more movement which is what is required when you have the likes of Ozil, Santi & Rambo in midfield. Giroud's lack of movement is why we have to go side to side 25 yards from goal which often result in the opposition counter attacking because we have lost the ball in an area where our midfielders are out of position. His only hope is if he could finish when he does get a chance but he's not very good at that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Some people might say, it's good to see Wenger recognising a problem area and finding someone for it.
    I would agree - it only took him a decade to realize how important a proper keeper is, hopefully it may dawn on him that if he uses this theory when it comes to a centre forward we may end up winning even more games- you can only hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico View Post
    I think he knows that Giroud's ultimately not good enough for sustained domination in the league or Europe but capable of eeking out a title or two (hopefully that being this year), which is why he's always been on the look out for an improvement but hasn't made it an absoulte pirority. By all accounts we made tentative inquiries into Benzema this summer and there was also chatter that we asked about Martial but were rebuffed by Monaco who said that he wasn't for sale (it took an absurd bid from Man Utd to get him). I'd be interested to know of these strikers who have moved recently who you consider an upgrade. Benteke? Balotelli? Martinez? Mandzukic? The only ones who'd I consider catergorically better are the likes of Lewandoski, Neymar, Suarez etc ..... who are simply just unattainable for us right now.

    True that Suarez was partly opportunisitc but do remember that we had quite publicly been looking for a striker that entire summer. It was well documented that we were on the verge of signing Higuain but our faffing around with Suarez mid way through that deal allowed Napoli to hijack it. Not to mention the numerous other strikers we were constantly linked with that summer (Jackson Martinez).

    Yep, Welbeck was only signed because we were literally having to resort to start Sanogo up front ( what a time to be alive) but the point I was alluding is that given how different Welbeck was in style to Giroud, I don't think he was signed to be a temporory replacement till Giroud returned but more I think Wenger hoped that he would eventually displace Giroud, because he had the qualities in a striker that he really wanted, something that never really materialised because Welbeck ........ well he turned out to be a bit crap tbh. The Giroud signing was always an odd one from Wenger. Through most of his history he's never persisted with a slow and cumbersome targetman up front, but instead he's usually gone for fast, dynamic and skilful players, see Thierry, RVP, Wright etc.

    And like you allude to, don't take Wenger's praise of Giroud too literally - he does to all his players especially confidence players like Giroud, who has a history of being mentally fragile (see how his form dipped dramatically after Henry's criticism and the newspaper affair story).
    Just focusing on the points in bold. Giroud certainly isn't a typical Wenger striker but we moved away from that model a long time ago. I've stressed this point yesterday. Since moving to a solo striker formation, Wenger has been looking for strikers that can hold up the ball in the box. Henry had a hard time adjusting to that role because he was so used to drifting into wide positions to find space but we needed a presence in the box. So in came Ade. When Henry left we bought Eduardo, a natural goal scorer but not a psychical player so Wenger was reluctant to play him up front on his own or would play him on the left.

    He'd also tinker with Bendtner up front, we brought Chamakh in and Wenger would always praise his team work and how he brings others into play. Heck, he'd even give Sanogo a run up front before trying a smaller quicker player like Theo. Reason being he wants a player up front with a physical presence. RVP is the only player to have that presence but also have flair and deadly in the box. He's the exception and it took years to make him. From a winger, to number 10 to the perfect solo striker. It's been an age since we've had a Henry, Anelka type. Maybe we've been priced out of the market but then again, we've always developed our strikers. They've never been a finished product. So why have we moved away from players with pace up front but instead looked for more bulky players that work hard for the team. Ade, Chamakh and Giroud have that in common and all three aren't natural goal scorers. Far predators in the box.

    In fact, if you look at their goal scoring records before Arsenal, it's unimpressive and Wenger had to be looking at something else when scouting them. It was clear they weren't natural goal scorers before we signed them. Also, Giroud is a far better player now than what he ever was. Scoff at players like Bony or Benteke, but looking at their goal scoring records, the type of goals they score, you don't think Wenger could improve them like Giroud? They are younger too. Prem experience and have scored more than Giroud over a season for poorer teams. I'm sure Wenger could bring them up to an even better level. But they're also on the more bulky side as well.

    I'm more baffled at why he hasn't tried to develop the physical side of a player with natural flair or goal scoring ability like he did with RVP. Why take so long to try Theo in that role? Why not try Sanchez? Why not develop Vela physically when we had him here because that kid had a natural eye for the goal. There are plenty of other examples. It just doesn't make sense to do the reverse. Chamakh, Bendy and Sanogo are the extreme examples. A great presence up top but poor poor finishers. Why not teach these smaller players how to hold up the ball and negotiate their way around the box? How to be team players as well as goal scorers?

    You also mention Martial but Wenger has said he thought he was a winger. Which suggests to me that he's not looking for the next Henry anymore. Or he can't see who has the potential to develop into that sort of player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dein-machine View Post
    I would agree - it only took him a decade to realize how important a proper keeper is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Why roll eyes - is that statement correct or not. If you are one of the crowd suggesting Cech will save us 15 points a season then that must suggest that we all new our previous goal-keeprs wouldn't, including Wenger.
    If you use the same logic with a proper goal-scoring centre forward, he may also gain us 15 points a season as opposed to a poor finisher like Giroud. If we all agree on that, why aren't doing it. What we do is buy cheaper alternatives that are no better than Giroud & we don't improve. Exactly as per the goal-keeping situation. Since the Lehman days we have bought cheaply in the hope they turn into another Seaman until the penny finally dropped for Le Prof. I would just like him to use his new found footballing nous to other areas of the pitch because it really does work you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Just focusing on the points in bold. Giroud certainly isn't a typical Wenger striker but we moved away from that model a long time ago. I've stressed this point yesterday. Since moving to a solo striker formation, Wenger has been looking for strikers that can hold up the ball in the box. Henry had a hard time adjusting to that role because he was so used to drifting into wide positions to find space but we needed a presence in the box. So in came Ade. When Henry left we bought Eduardo, a natural goal scorer but not a psychical player so Wenger was reluctant to play him up front on his own or would play him on the left.

    He'd also tinker with Bendtner up front, we brought Chamakh in and Wenger would always praise his team work and how he brings others into play. Heck, he'd even give Sanogo a run up front before trying a smaller quicker player like Theo. Reason being he wants a player up front with a physical presence. RVP is the only player to have that presence but also have flair and deadly in the box. He's the exception and it took years to make him. From a winger, to number 10 to the perfect solo striker. It's been an age since we've had a Henry, Anelka type. Maybe we've been priced out of the market but then again, we've always developed our strikers. They've never been a finished product. So why have we moved away from players with pace up front but instead looked for more bulky players that work hard for the team. Ade, Chamakh and Giroud have that in common and all three aren't natural goal scorers. Far predators in the box.

    In fact, if you look at their goal scoring records before Arsenal, it's unimpressive and Wenger had to be looking at something else when scouting them. It was clear they weren't natural goal scorers before we signed them. Also, Giroud is a far better player now than what he ever was. Scoff at players like Bony or Benteke, but looking at their goal scoring records, the type of goals they score, you don't think Wenger could improve them like Giroud? They are younger too. Prem experience and have scored more than Giroud over a season for poorer teams. I'm sure Wenger could bring them up to an even better level. But they're also on the more bulky side as well.

    I'm more baffled at why he hasn't tried to develop the physical side of a player with natural flair or goal scoring ability like he did with RVP. Why take so long to try Theo in that role? Why not try Sanchez? Why not develop Vela physically when we had him here because that kid had a natural eye for the goal. There are plenty of other examples. It just doesn't make sense to do the reverse. Chamakh, Bendy and Sanogo are the extreme examples. A great presence up top but poor poor finishers. Why not teach these smaller players how to hold up the ball and negotiate their way around the box? How to be team players as well as goal scorers?

    You also mention Martial but Wenger has said he thought he was a winger. Which suggests to me that he's not looking for the next Henry anymore. Or he can't see who has the potential to develop into that sort of player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    It's true, what made it worse is that plenty of decent keepers have been available and moving between clubs for fairly reasonable prices over the past decade yet Wenger still refused to spend. Cech was a good signing and a much needed one but Wenger could and should have addressed the goalkeeping position years ago, it was laughable how long he get away with frauds like Almunia and Fabianski in goal.

    This is my issue with Wenger and his approach to improving the team/squad, IMO he mismanages areas of the team for far too long and for no apparent reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dein-machine View Post
    Why roll eyes - is that statement correct or not.
    Not. Obviously not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    It's true.
    It's true that he just didn't realise we could do with a better 'keeper? Behave...
    Obviously he should have signed a better 'keeper years ago but the reality is a bit more complicated than a game of football manager.
    The idea that he just didn't realise we could do with better is ridiculous. I have no idea why so many internet twats ™ think they have the first clue about how to run a top level club and think our manager doesn't realise where things can be improved. If you're average joe in the street can see it you can be sure a top level manager can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    It's true that he just didn't realise we could do with a better 'keeper? Behave...
    Obviously he should have signed a better 'keeper years ago but the reality is a bit more complicated than a game of football manager.
    The idea that he just didn't realise we could do with better is ridiculous. I have no idea why so many internet twats ™ think they have the first clue about how to run a top level club and think our manager doesn't realise where things can be improved. If you're average joe in the street can see it you can be sure a top level manager can.
    Why has it taken so long to address is the question. I'm sure it's complicated but we went for years without a top keeper. We had a problem with our keeper since 2007.

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