considering how fans have been systematically and figuratively raped through hiking of ticket prices and a summer of transfer market incompetence, I have to say that the website's assertion that 46,000 is not a bad attendance for a mid-week cup tie against league two opposition is a fair one, it's hard to say whether it's low comparably because we have never played league two opposition at the emirates stadium prior to the match.
I think though that it cannot be ignored that a lot of the tickets are going on general sale, when hardly any (especially not weekend league fixtures) did so the previous season.........and it'd be hard to condemn fans for doing this.
Since the carling cup defeat we have played....nine times at home.....netting ten times......a statistic skewed by the 5-0 win over leyton orient, and if you remove that fixture from the equation....we have scored five goals in the last eight games at the emirates stadium, so essentially fans probably don't have a high expectation of entertainment (i mean you would probably feel less inclined to go to the cinema to watch a film if you thought it was going to be crap wouldn't you?)
Statistics seem to show that at home we don't ship many goals but neither do we score any, and away from home we are more free scoring but also calamitous at defending (17 goals scored and 23 conceded in last nine league games) and maybe purely for entertainment value there doesn't seem to be any drop in attendance of away fixtures (this is probably because most away fixtures are attended by the hardcore contingent as well)
The last game i went to see was Udinese at home and was struck by the bald patches of seats in the stands
No, Plymouth have had their debt taken care of (at least enough not to go under), it's paying the players that is the problem now.Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Oh no, have your beloved Plymouth gone to the conference already?? ok, though you are making this thread f@cking pedantic i will try again. Shrewsbury is the smallest team we have played in the emirates, ok. Definitely three of the other smallest teams we have played at home are orient, plymouth and huddersfield. Average attendance for those games was 59000, and two of those games only occured about a year ago. I believeleasenotethewordbelieve: our worst ever attendance before this debacle was the spud game where people didn't show up cause we knew their was a huge chance our kids would be embarrassed and we'd lose- yet 53000 braved it and took the humiliation. We have a long proud track record of fans who come out for what some others would term the 'small people', yes we may be quiet but at least we are f@cking there..... Until now. IMO the only responsible thing for our club to have done in this situation should have been to shut it and finally f@cking listen.nd two of those games only occured about a year ago. I believe
Anyway, does the fact they were FA Cup games play a part? I mean that's a genuine question. I mean if it does make a difference and we're going to compare I'd have thought it probably has to be Carling Cup matches to Carling Cup matches. And also, I believe Cup games mean a greater attendance for away fans then say if we faced them in the league. Does anybody know of what allocation Shrewsbury sold and what allocation they had? Plymouth have a fair few fans, not that I am going to pretend they're huge because they're the closest Football League team (for the timton e being) to Cornwall and alongside Plymouth's population, which is comparable with Nottingham I think. I'm not going to pretend I know a huge amount about Leyton Orient or Huddersfield, except that Leyton Orient are in London.
Making this thread pedantic?If you're going to post in a ranting style and clearly this article has riled you like some others and say things that are erroneous, I'm quite right to correct you if you're going to attempt a comparison, otherwise the comparison isn't valid.
I really don't understand why the Arsenal website should need to be 'responsible' or anything. We're talking about a club website, it's going to be slightly partisan (just like any other one). And what do you mean 'listen', listen and then do what? What would you want them to do that would make it ok to be so bold as to post a thank you to supporters on the club website?
There are other reasons why we got a higher attendance than others. Arsenal fans generally have higher incomes than fans living in Manchester, and this combined with the extremely cheap ticket prices should have resulted in a more full stadium. Moreover, the price decrease would be more noticeable to Arsenal fans given the extortionate prices we have to face so you'd expect a greater change in demand because of it.This is absolute fucking bollocks i'm afraid. Capacity percentage is only worth noting if THE GAME HAS SOLD OUT. Amazingly, NONE of those games sold out, therefore the stadium capacity is limiting NO-ONE... yet we still have more fans attending our game, agasint nobodies, then most others. I mean, what excuse do man city have for barely selling half their capacity? Fucking dreadful support
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And anyway, this attendance is including Shrewsbury who sold out their allocation, unlike other away teams who barely took any fans to the CC games. I'd bet if we look at only the Arsenal fans' attendance, you'd find we're lower than many teams.
I've always thought away allocations for the Carling Cup were 10%, same as the FA Cup. Not sure though.
can i just where you got that made up fact from?
Come on man, you know it's true. Our supporters are generally from London and the Home Counties. The Home Counties definitely have higher income than Cities in the North West like Manchester, and while of course we do have many fans on relatively low incomes in London (especially in working class areas like Stoke Newington), these incomes will still be higher than of supporters of clubs like Burnley, Man City, Blackburn etc. You only have to look at the Office of National Statistics reports about regional income disparities to know this is true.
really though. we have fans all around the country though. common joke is that fans of united come from london yet they dont sell out every cup game so if you syaing london earns more then why not. they can afford it? same with chelsea, they dont sell out but their fans should be able to afford based on your statement
@ Maccy ( pedantic response) What did i state that was erroneous? Was it the lowest ever attendance? the ticket prices? The challenging times we're in? Or could it be the only place where i clear indicated uncertainty by using the well known clausal supposition 'i believe' - which i want to 'believe' you are familiar with because you just used it in your reply in a manner reminiscent of mine. But if the latter part of the aforementioned statement is wrong, please kindly note the element of doubt expressed. And comparing 2 time european champions to plymouth is poor form for even you.
Ok, nevermind.
And I wasn't comparing the clubs: Plymouth Argyle to Nottingham Forest, I was just saying the cities' respective populations are similar. And due to where Plymouth are situated and the fact Cornwall (the county next to Devon) does not have a Football League side, Plymouth have more supporters then another club of their stature might otherwise have.
Poor form? Hardly.
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