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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    This is typical propaganda from the official website. You can't use official figures to make this sort of comparison, you must look at the stadium capacity as well and look at what percentage of the seats have been filled. Here's a revised analysis:



    As you can see, when done this way we're only 11th out of 26th out of the matches selected, which doesn't look so good now does it?

    I hate it when people use statistics without putting them in their proper context. This is without considering the fact that we're a London club and our supporters tend to come from the Home Counties, where incomes are generally higher relative to the rest of the country, and even then so many people stayed away from the match, despite the cheap tickets.
    This is absolute fucking bollocks i'm afraid. Capacity percentage is only worth noting if THE GAME HAS SOLD OUT. Amazingly, NONE of those games sold out, therefore the stadium capacity is limiting NO-ONE... yet we still have more fans attending our game, agasint nobodies, then most others. I mean, what excuse do man city have for barely selling half their capacity? Fucking dreadful support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironing View Post
    This is absolute fucking bollocks i'm afraid. Capacity percentage is only worth noting if THE GAME HAS SOLD OUT. Amazingly, NONE of those games sold out, therefore the stadium capacity is limiting NO-ONE... yet we still have more fans attending our game, agasint nobodies, then most others. I mean, what excuse do man city have for barely selling half their capacity? Fucking dreadful support

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    There are other reasons why we got a higher attendance than others. Arsenal fans generally have higher incomes than fans living in Manchester, and this combined with the extremely cheap ticket prices should have resulted in a more full stadium. Moreover, the price decrease would be more noticeable to Arsenal fans given the extortionate prices we have to face so you'd expect a greater change in demand because of it.

    And anyway, this attendance is including Shrewsbury who sold out their allocation, unlike other away teams who barely took any fans to the CC games. I'd bet if we look at only the Arsenal fans' attendance, you'd find we're lower than many teams.

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    I've always thought away allocations for the Carling Cup were 10%, same as the FA Cup. Not sure though.

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    @ Maccy ( pedantic response) What did i state that was erroneous? Was it the lowest ever attendance? the ticket prices? The challenging times we're in? Or could it be the only place where i clear indicated uncertainty by using the well known clausal supposition 'i believe' - which i want to 'believe' you are familiar with because you just used it in your reply in a manner reminiscent of mine. But if the latter part of the aforementioned statement is wrong, please kindly note the element of doubt expressed. And comparing 2 time european champions to plymouth is poor form for even you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE View Post
    @ Maccy ( pedantic response) What did i state that was erroneous? Was it the lowest ever attendance? the ticket prices? The challenging times we're in? Or could it be the only place where i clear indicated uncertainty by using the well known clausal supposition 'i believe' - which i want to 'believe' you are familiar with because you just used it in your reply in a manner reminiscent of mine. But if the latter part of the aforementioned statement is wrong, please kindly note the element of doubt expressed. And comparing 2 time european champions to plymouth is poor form for even you.
    Ok, nevermind.

    And I wasn't comparing the clubs: Plymouth Argyle to Nottingham Forest, I was just saying the cities' respective populations are similar. And due to where Plymouth are situated and the fact Cornwall (the county next to Devon) does not have a Football League side, Plymouth have more supporters then another club of their stature might otherwise have.

    Poor form? Hardly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Ok, nevermind.

    And I wasn't comparing the clubs: Plymouth Argyle to Nottingham Forest, I was just saying the cities' respective populations are similar. And due to where Plymouth are situated and the fact Cornwall (the county next to Devon) does not have a Football League side, Plymouth have more supporters then another club of their stature might otherwise have.

    Poor form? Hardly.
    Sorry, thought you were giving me my medicine back.

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    Now my serious reply goes like this- on the point you made about comparing CC with FA, i noted no marked differences when looking at the attendances. I believe besides Shrew the smallest teams we played in the CC are ipswich, shefield and leeds and i think we still averaged 59000, so no marked difference. In fact its remarkable because those who go to cc cup games know the crowd is kind of different from the regulars. And if joker is right that we sold out to shrews, then seeing as orient have the same 9000ish capacity it makes explaining the 14000 missing fans more difficult, though i accept the london factor should be considered. Anyway debating this is a bit silly as if we continue with our poor form, the attendances in the next few games will clearly say if the fans are trying to mile a statement or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    There are other reasons why we got a higher attendance than others. Arsenal fans generally have higher incomes than fans living in Manchester, and this combined with the extremely cheap ticket prices should have resulted in a more full stadium. Moreover, the price decrease would be more noticeable to Arsenal fans given the extortionate prices we have to face so you'd expect a greater change in demand because of it.

    And anyway, this attendance is including Shrewsbury who sold out their allocation, unlike other away teams who barely took any fans to the CC games. I'd bet if we look at only the Arsenal fans' attendance, you'd find we're lower than many teams.
    can i just where you got that made up fact from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    can i just where you got that made up fact from?
    Come on man, you know it's true. Our supporters are generally from London and the Home Counties. The Home Counties definitely have higher income than Cities in the North West like Manchester, and while of course we do have many fans on relatively low incomes in London (especially in working class areas like Stoke Newington), these incomes will still be higher than of supporters of clubs like Burnley, Man City, Blackburn etc. You only have to look at the Office of National Statistics reports about regional income disparities to know this is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    Come on man, you know it's true. Our supporters are generally from London and the Home Counties. The Home Counties definitely have higher income than Cities in the North West like Manchester, and while of course we do have many fans on relatively low incomes in London (especially in working class areas like Stoke Newington), these incomes will still be higher than of supporters of clubs like Burnley, Man City, Blackburn etc. You only have to look at the Office of National Statistics reports about regional income disparities to know this is true.
    really though. we have fans all around the country though. common joke is that fans of united come from london yet they dont sell out every cup game so if you syaing london earns more then why not. they can afford it? same with chelsea, they dont sell out but their fans should be able to afford based on your statement

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