Dunno, I was making a beeline for the pub before the final whistle went.Originally Posted by Static
Dunno, I was making a beeline for the pub before the final whistle went.
I think the pressure thing is over-stated.
You pick and choose what you see as a pressure situation depending on results but we've been in plenty of pressure situations over the last couple of years. Obviously the Cup finals and semi-finals. The quarter final at Old Trafford - you said before that Utd weren't a great team last year and I agree not great but they only lost 3 times at home last year and none of the other big teams won there last season especially given our record there, that was clearly a pressure game. This year the City game was clearly a pressure situation, many have declared them champions elect and had they beaten us they'd have leap-frogged us.
I'm cherry-picking a bit but it's just not true to say we've crumbled every time we've had a pressure game, we've come through plenty unscathed. I do agree about a leader on the pitch though, we've not had a decent captain since Vieira and there are times when we've needed someone out there to get us going.
It's not the pressure. It's the cowardice of the manager and his negative shitty tactics. If we're going to play the same way against every opponent then at least let it be like this, win, lose or draw.
Instead - when we had the feel good factor and a bit of momentum building he got terrified because we had injuries and he forced the team into a shell. Ever since, we have been SHITE. And he persists with it even though bad result is following on from bad result.
The Liverpool game. Some fans actually thought that was a good result. LOSING TWO POINTS in the last minute because we'd gone totally defensive. That was the start of the end. All as a result of cowardice and fear.
Stoke, disaster of a result. Again, some - including the manager, said it was decent to be dropping another two points against that shite.
Another slow start against the chavs instead of hitting their creaky old defence with pace.
The debacles against Southampton. What a fucking disgrace that 4-0 was, the warning signs were all there but the manager ignored them.
Norwich, West Brom, we've been playing awful, negative, fearful shite for weeks.
Manager's fault. All of it. If you are preaching cowardice and negativity then that's what will materialise on the pitch. The players are a reflection of their trembling manager. He;s the one who has no bottle, he's the one who can't handle the pressure. The attitude of the team starts with him. Same Theo Walcott against Man Utd as the guy who attempted 3 passes against Southampton. 3 passes! What's the manager going to do about that. I'll tell you. Fuck all.
Wenger has tried to creep his way to a title, eking out averages here and there, going for percentages, fighting mediocrity with mediocrity, covering his balls and praying nobody hurts him. You don't win titles like that. You don't compete like that.
He has 14 games to find his bollocks and sort his shit out. We have a good enough team to win all 14. But unless some miracle occurs and the old quivering fool somehow sees the light we just don't have the leader to take us there.
Wenger's fault. All him. Has been for ages. The one constant.
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Not true. You've also been here.
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Not true either. He used to support Liverpool.
It's not defending Ramsey, it's about facts.
He showed he could do it that second half and played really well. We all thought that. To pretend the goal scoring run is the only time he has ever done well here is frankly wrong. Especially when you admitted he did play well during that period just a week ago, lol.
I mentioned the 5-1 match against West Ham when he was the holding midfielder with Arteta out and he had he even less disciplined Wilshere in front of him. You remembered that match and fell off another fact-less point you made.
He did play like shit on Tuesday and I never said otherwise. Also if Wenger is not gonna buy a midfielder to compliment him then he should be sold.
That game he was stepping in for Arteta to play as DM.Facts, eh? So how does one good game in a different position relate to my argument about him not understanding how to play the CM role?
Because he clearly does.That game he was stepping in for Arteta to play as DM.
Once again you agreed with me when I said this. And it wasn't game but the second part of the season he was disciplined and showed he could play it. He got goal hungry and lost it but it's in his locker.
It doesn't relate because he was playing in a completely different position and it's why he was more disciplined and simplified his game. That demonstrates he has the ability to pass and keep it simple at DM but that doesn't mean he knows how to play as CM. Also, the game you're talking about was the build up to him finding that form that had him scoring goals for fun the following season. It was the start of him finding his confidence again. It adds further evidence to the original debate where you've wrongly assumed Ramsey needs Arteta to play next to him to flourish. He doesn't. He just needs a brain and maybe some guidance from Wenger again to build from the back and pick his runs more strategically. He's not demonstrating that at the moments and besides that one moment where he was on form, he hasn't shown it before or since. I'll avoid using the word season since you want to play semantics.But as I said in the original debate, something started to click with Ramsey early and we can probably pin point it to him playing as DM.
This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...e-Arsenal.html
Even after a stint at DM he mentions wanting to get forward and getting into the box. That's probably his problem and where I see him going wrong at CM.
http://arseblog.com/2016/02/tactics-...d-effectively/
It's also worth reading this from Arseblog. With the middle being so packed and us depending so much on Bellerin moving the ball forward, I have no idea why he didn't have the sense to drop back and provide more support. It's a complaint I've had with the Wilshere/Ramsey/Arteta axis of ages. Only when Rosicky or Cazorla come into the fold are we able to play through the middle more comfortably and I don't think Wenger gives instructions on where a player should be when playing CM as Arseblog assumes. A more attack minded player like Cazorla has enough sense to sit deep and build slowly from the back. I don't know why he'd give Ramsey different instructions.
Last edited by Power n Glory; 04-02-2016 at 12:52 PM.
People are talking as if there's any positional discipline in our team at all. As far as I can see, Coquelin is the only player than bothers with the concept and that's probably only because Wenger doesn't trust him and so doesn't give him that freedom (a euphemism for the absence of discipline) he allows others.
CM, DM, on the left, on the right, what difference does it make in a Wenger team? Our players are all over the place and if the manager cared about that he'd do something about it. On the contrary, it must be him who permits the chaos. It descends into pure farce on occasion. Against Southampton there was the Kos miss. Shame he missed, but what the hell was he even doing there? Campbell has taken to wandering too of late and it has already started to hurt his game. Does this mean Wenger has warmed to him?
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