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    Wenger flat out said the tv money will be used 'on signings rather than reducing ticket prices'

    This is the same guy that wanted Kroenke in over Usmanov.

    £200m in the bank, one outfield signing in the Summer

    Him and Kroenke are obviously getting more than they let on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munchies View Post
    Wenger flat out said the tv money will be used 'on signings rather than reducing ticket prices'

    This is the same guy that wanted Kroenke in over Usmanov.

    £200m in the bank, one outfield signing in the Summer

    Him and Kroenke are obviously getting more than they let on
    I know. I'm guessing from his perspective he doesn't want the club to lose what competitive & transfer market advantage we already have over others through a higher revenue intake.

    I honestly don't think he would mind if everyone was equally handicapped and forced to pass on the savings though. After all Wenger seems more akin to a French socialist rather than some greedy Wall Street hedge fund manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico View Post
    I know. I'm guessing from his perspective he doesn't want the club to lose what competitive & transfer market advantage we already have over others through a higher revenue intake.

    I honestly don't think he would mind if everyone was equally handicapped and forced to pass on the savings though. After all Wenger more akin to a French socialist rather than some greedy Wall Street hedge fund manager.
    I'm not so sure about that.

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    Well clearly the plan for kroenke is to keep the money in the bank and use it to levearge his business activities elsewhere. It allows him to take out loans on much more favourable terms when the creditor sees a 'business' like Arsenal so much in the black. This whole '£200m in the bank' that can be all be spent on transfers is complete garbage though. No sane business would empty out their entire cash flow. That may imply that Wenger is free from all blame but I'm sure he still has funds to use that he doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I'm not so sure about that.
    Well Kroenke certainly isn't but I do hold out some hold out some hope for Wenger. Not that I think he's ever openly discussed his political leanings before.

    Tbh maybe I'm just blinded by his appearance, general friendly demeanour and the fact that he's French.


    On another point, thinking about it more, I think the most effective mechanism to pass on ticket price savings is if the PL/FA/Gov set a law which stated that a %of TV money had to go towards reducing ticket prices every year. That way clubs can still differentiate prices from each other reflective of how attractive their product is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico View Post
    On another point, thinking about it more, I think the most effective mechanism to pass on ticket price savings is if the PL/FA/Gov set a law which stated that a %of TV money had to go towards reducing ticket prices every year. That way clubs can still differentiate prices from each other reflective of how attractive their product is.
    The problem being, in this rancid, free market, that is effectively curtailing the earning potential of limited enterprises. Phone/TV services that provide more of a public service can usually be brought into line for overcharging by independent governing bodies they are signed up to but I'm not sure the Government, particularly the Tories, would want to muddy themselves in a mess like this with football. Historically they've just let the ruling bodies of the game get on with it and do as they please. As an example, in the post-World Cup bid discussions, they hardly made much of a comment on it at all.

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    If it didn't matter I wouldn't be saying Wenger should be sacked if we don't seriously challenge this year.
    There were circumstances around why we've failed to challenge, some of those are because of Wenger, others are out of our control.
    Literally last season we won (retained, actually) the FA Cup and finished 3rd. This season, despite some wobbles, we're very much involved in the title race, we're likely to get to the FA Cup Qtr Finals so we've got a chance there.
    The level of whining on here is massively out of proportion with the situation.
    IMO.
    Why is pointing out the persistent failure (on the pitch) of this club and this manager, "whining"? That's like "whining" about somebody who keeps pissing in your face by telling them to piss off. That's all people are doing, telling the manager to piss off. It's not like he hasn't been given a fair crack to get the job done, in fact he's had 3 or 4 times as much leeway as other managers get in the modern game.

    How can a decade of underachievement be viewed as anything other than unsatisfactory? Is 'Not so bad, could be worse' the club motto now? Yes, the club has faced challenges but anybody who wants to pretend the response to those challenges has been the absolute dedication of all available resources to meeting and overcoming those challenges is deluding themselves. You can still be ambitious even if you are prudent and when you look at the record of this board and this manager there's no sign of ambition at all. Safety, security, growth, we've even taken these principles onto the pitch now where we shut up shop as soon as we score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico View Post
    Well Kroenke certainly isn't but I do hold out some hold out some hope for Wenger. Not that I think he's ever openly discussed his political leanings before.

    Tbh maybe I'm just blinded by his appearance, general friendly demeanour and the fact that he's French.


    On another point, thinking about it more, I think the most effective mechanism to pass on ticket price savings is if the PL/FA/Gov set a law which stated that a %of TV money had to go towards reducing ticket prices every year. That way clubs can still differentiate prices from each other reflective of how attractive their product is.
    What incentive does the PL/ FA/ Gov have to reduce or cap revenues? None at all. They are queuing with their own wheelbarrows. A locust doesn't do crop management it just strips everything in its path and moves on when the field is dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    The problem being, in this rancid, free market, that is effectively curtailing the earning potential of limited enterprises. Phone/TV services that provide more of a public service can usually be brought into line for overcharging by independent governing bodies they are signed up to but I'm not sure the Government, particularly the Tories, would want to muddy themselves in a mess like this with football. Historically they've just let the ruling bodies of the game get on with it and do as they please. As an example, in the post-World Cup bid discussions, they hardly made much of a comment on it at all.
    True, which is why any unilateral action on the part of the PL/FA/Gov wouldn't be effective and probably would be immediately subject to legal action from the likes of Kroenke and the Glazers for the very reason you mention, "curtailing the earning potential of limited enterprises". It's got to be preceded by a discussion and an agreement from the PL clubs ......... which is easier said then done.

    Maybe again I'm being too optimistic here, but I'd like to think that most owners are intelligent enough to realise that the popularity (and thus ultimately the money) of the PL is dependent on full stadiums, healthy match day atmospheres and ensuring new younger fans can replenish any ageing fanbase. Only one look at Seria A should be enough to demonstrate what happens when fans stay away and you have half empty stadiums.

    I mean if the Americans, who are the ultimate capitalists, can enforce a socialist style salary cap on their popular sports I don't see why we can't have something which is far less restrictive but similarly in the collective good. It would require some leadership from the PL/FA/Gov though to put together which may be asking for too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Well clearly the plan for kroenke is to keep the money in the bank and use it to levearge his business activities elsewhere. It allows him to take out loans on much more favourable terms when the creditor sees a 'business' like Arsenal so much in the black. This whole '£200m in the bank' that can be all be spent on transfers is complete garbage though. No sane business would empty out their entire cash flow. That may imply that Wenger is free from all blame but I'm sure he still has funds to use that he doesn't.
    I like to think (and who knows what goes on behind the scenes really) that Kroenke is the 'bad' guy, only interested in money with no regard to how we do on the pitch and Wenger is the 'good' guy who is genuinely trying to do his best for the club and trying to balance our long term future financially with success on the pitch. He may be failing, but I think he genuinely wants the best for the club.
    That doesn't absolve him of all blame of course, a lot of the criticism on here is justified, but I don't think the abuse is, I don't think he's the bad guy.

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