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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    I think Mourinho has offended our fanbase too much to be considered an option for us. Regardless of tactics and everything else he'd bring, I just don't think he's worth the hassle. Even in these hypothetical scenarios he's a non-starter.

    I don't think Pellegrini is that great but he'd probably make us a more cohesive as an attacking unit and wouldn't persist with the ramshackle nature of some of our players. So him just because I'm sick of Wenger failing to make any difference.
    His comment about Wenger being under no pressure and being allowed to play kids and not win as spot on, as was his specialist in failure comment based on the last 10 years.

    He's contraversial, no question but that's part of the act, he's up front about his criticism at least, Wenger just has sly digs to make excuses for his team.

    I agree he couldn't come here though, but out of the 3 he'd be my choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I like the style of play under Simeone even less than I do Mourinho

    I like Lows Germany that combination of mental toughness and attacking flair

    Think how dangerous they'd be if Germany actually had a proper out and out striker
    Don't rate Low that highly he's had arguably the most talented group of players with Spain since he's been in charge and yet has only managed one success.

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    I was about to say Pellegrini. He was decent with Villareal and I don't think he's able to handle the egos at City. But really and truly, it would have to be Mourinho. I was about to say he doesn't suit our style but I think with the current players we have he may be able to get something out them playing counter attack/quick transitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Damage, I think you're exagerrating he's done no damage to Real or Chelsea, Wenger on the other hand well the evidence is there, a losers mentality ingrained from top to bottom, overpaid wannabee's everywhere you look, injuries left right and centre, an attack that can't score, a defence that can't defend, stockpiling CM so much so half of them have to go on the wing.......ths list is endless.
    I think Real Madrid were desperate to get rid of Mourinho because he was sullying their reputation with his behaviour towards officials and managers.
    Chelsea he left in dead stuck because he cares more about his ego than addressing the problems with the team.

    What actual damage has Wenger done, whatever he does between now and the time he leaves the club is in a far stronger position than it was when he joined, no he hasn't pushed us on, yes he has persisted with non performing players. But personal frustration aside can you really say you fear for this clubs future, not competing for the big trophies is unacceptable but all it means is that the baton of progress needs to be handed on to someone else.

    I think he should go, but the idea that he's some cancer on the club rather than someone who has been allowed to live on past achievements for too long is absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Don't rate Low that highly he's had arguably the most talented group of players with Spain since he's been in charge and yet has only managed one success.
    With who?

    Low has been coach since 2006, an era that was dominated by Spain up until the last World Cup and always reached the business ends of tournaments even with a rather average team like he had in Euro 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I think Real Madrid were desperate to get rid of Mourinho because he was sullying their reputation with his behaviour towards officials and managers.
    Chelsea he left in dead stuck because he cares more about his ego than addressing the problems with the team.

    What actual damage has Wenger done, whatever he does between now and the time he leaves the club is in a far stronger position than it was when he joined, no he hasn't pushed us on, yes he has persisted with non performing players. But personal frustration aside can you really say you fear for this clubs future, not competing for the big trophies is unacceptable but all it means is that the baton of progress needs to be handed on to someone else.

    I think he should go, but the idea that he's some cancer on the club rather than someone who has been allowed to live on past achievements for too long is absurd.
    Yes I fear for the clubs' future in a sense that he's made losing and coming 3rd/4th acceptable, the owners are now more than happy with this and there's no pressure to do better, so yes he's done a huge amount of damage both to our mentality, made us look like a bunch of jokers and made sure that most of the time the best players don't really want to sign for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    With who?

    Low has been coach since 2006, an era that was dominated by Spain up until the last World Cup and always reached the business ends of tournaments even with a rather average team like he had in Euro 2008
    Germany's squad in that time has been more than a match for Spain quality wise to be honest, it's just that Spain had a better manager in charge.

    Klinsman got them to a semi final with a weaker team than he ever had which tells you all you need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Germany's squad in that time has been more than a match for Spain quality wise to be honest, it's just that Spain had a better manager in charge.

    Klinsman got them to a semi final with a very average team which tells you all you need to know.
    You're talking bollocks I'm afraid, Germany's squad has very much been in the making the last few years but with Xavi and Iniesta, Spain had the best two midfielders of their generation.

    Plus was Muller better than David Villa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    You're talking bollocks I'm afraid, Germany's squad has very much been in the making the last few years but with Xavi and Iniesta, Spain had the best two midfielders of their generation.

    Plus was Muller better than David Villa?
    They've had a strong squad for years, Klinsmann started the improvement with his semi-final in the World, ever since then they've been improving in quality, he's had opportunities to win more and should have IMO, irrespective of Spain, Del Bosque may well have done.

    Ozil first appeared before the 2010 world cup, that's one of many in that group, he's had strong squad for years and not done the most he can with it, Spain were obviously top notch, but German's squad has been more than a match for them in the last 6 years at least.

    I watched all those tournaments and felt Germany should have done better in a number of them, they just didn't turn up in some of the bigger matches.

    At the end of the day Spain have had a top top manager and that's the big difference, Low has no pedigree at all, he got the job due to the fact he was Klinsmann's assistant, he'd achieved nothing at club level, unlike Del Bosque.

    Anyway your criticisms of Simeone are unfair, with his limited budget he's worked wonders, his team work hard, are very organised and he's got an eye for talent too, the fact theu've kept up with Real and Barca every season is unbelievable, if you want sh*t football just see what we put out every week, it's a lot worse than the stuff Athletico play.
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    Spain won Euro 2008, World Cup 2010 and Euro 2012 because they were the best team, and they peaked by 2012

    Low was Klinnsmans assistant in the 2006 World Cup and it was widely known that it was Low who was the brains of the operation and actually worked with the German football federation to invest in developing players through the academy system which would then get picked by the clubs to use in their youth teams.

    The world cup in Brazil how many players in that squad were 30 or more?, take away Mertesacker, Lahm and Klose and you'd struggle to find one. The side that won were an incredibly young side that had been shaped by Low and German football for some time.

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