In fairness, I said his time was up after the Birmingham cup final.Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
No one can defend it! Money can't be used as an excuse anymore.
Even the likes of Maccy and GP have turned. The last hope for some positivity is in Ollie and MS.
I tend to take a more positive view overall though. I mean, what's the point otherwise?
This season has been a train crash though. There's no getting around that.
NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.
NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.
I thought that too - I didn't think we'd ever win a trophy under him again but then we signed Ozil and then we won the FA Cup and then he signed Sanchez and we retained it.
I think he deserved a chance to push on this season but it's increasingly clear we won't.
What changing a manager can do
points total in 2016
His time was up many years ago and at any other club he'd have been gone a long time ago, but here the owners are happy as they're seeing cash roll in left, right and center and the fans in reality just accepted this losers mentality as if it's the norm and is unrealistic to think it should be any different.
Even the great Ferguson after 3 years of not winning was being questioned so to think Wenger has lasted pretty much 11 years and is still here just shows how little resistance there's been. Had we waved goodbye and cut our losses a few years ago we'd probably be in a much better place now, as it is the squad needs a lot of work, the players have Wengerball so ingrained in them it will take quite a lot of work to change that and the whole club from top to bottom is now geared to accept mediocrity...that kind of damage will take years to fix.
When he finally has no choice but to leave I'm expecting what will probably be a hard transition because when someone has managed a club as long as Wenger has with such a big ego changing things isn't going to be easy, but at least we'll have unpredictability and hope back and if we do have a few tough seasons where things don't go to plan at least we can hope for better.
We could rename this club Arsene Wenger because in reality it's all about him from top to bottom which is a terrible scenario for any club and the owners have been more than happy with that as their only interest in money.
I felt he should have gone quite a while back and the fact he didn't has really done us no favours, it's probably done more damage than good in reality.
Last edited by Özim; 03-03-2016 at 05:29 PM.
The first part of that is one of those somewhat annoying things people say - annoying because it is pure speculation.
A lot of clubs getting rid of a long term manager - ManYoo is a 'for example' - tend to do worse, at least in the short term. We can't know how we'd have done under a different manager so it's a pointless thing to say.
And does the squad need that much work? There is some dead wood to get rid of and we clearly near more up front but IMO we already have a squad which should be challenging, we don't need that much more.
We have a squad that should win in the current environment, in any of the previous years it is not strong enough to be close to the title.
It drives me mad that people keep looking at our squad on paper and these 'known' names seem to indicate we have good players all over. We really don't. The squad needs quite a bit of work when you consider 4/5 attacking players are needed (out wide and upfront) replacements in midfield for those leaving and one if not two CB's and a replacement keeper once Ospina clears off. Maybe even more if an Ozil or Sanchez clear off.
Totally agree. Lots' of work to be done, unless people have low expectations. if we want to stand toe to toe with the best we need as a minimum, real top quality in the following areas:
Right Midfield - Theo is rubbish there, Ox is immature and wayward and Campbell decent
Central Midfield - Need I say more
Striker - Need I say more
Centre Back - Merts on his way out, Chambers should be given enough time to develop properly. Kos good, Gabriel hasn't settled in yet
Goalkeeper - Cech get's injured and we're down to Ospina, need I say more
Theo, Flamini, Arteta, Merts, Rosicky, Ospina should be shown the door
We're nowhere near where we need to be. Wenget buys one decent player per season if we're lucky and people think this squad is not "far off".
There is serious work to be done here just to really start competing from a personnel point of view, let alone the management deficiencies
'WHEN HE HAS A PLAN, WE BACK HIM, WHEN HE DOESN'T......WE KEEP QUIET'
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