General line from the Wenger Brigade seems to be directed at "plastics who shout Wenger out after every defeat."
It was a 4-0 win you muppets
General line from the Wenger Brigade seems to be directed at "plastics who shout Wenger out after every defeat."
It was a 4-0 win you muppets
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It was a 0-4 win over a Championship team at the 2nd time of trying. If people think that's going to placate the fans then they're really stupid and missing the point.Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
General line from the Wenger Brigade seems to be directed at "plastics who shout Wenger out after every defeat."
It was a 4-0 win you muppets
Last edited by Marc Overmars; 09-03-2016 at 10:29 AM.
And I don't think there really is much of a 'Wenger Brigade' these days.
I certainly don't know anyone who still thinks he's the right man.
NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.
Letters does.
Letters
(thought I'd save someone else the bother, there).
What I don't understand is why everything has to be so extreme on here. Is that a GW thing or an internet thing?
Is it not perfectly valid to think that:
Wenger, overall, did pretty well to keep us in the top 4 in the early days of the stadium move with the billionaires running amok.
But he should have won a couple of trophies in that era and probably should have been sacked.
The new money did start a new policy in the transfer window (someone on here said, although I haven't checked, that our net spend over the last 3 seasons is the 3rd highest in the league. It certainly has been quite high and compare and contrast with the 3 years before that when we actually made a net profit) and we started signing players of a level who should push us on.
The Cup win was a welcome relief and got the 'no trophies' monkey off our back. We seemed well placed to push on and Sanchez was another top signing.
Last year was a disappointment, Wenger probably should have been sacked for the failure to compete for the title but the Cup retention mitigated somewhat and arguably bought him one last try.
Last summer's transfer dealings were disappointing, Cech was a great signing but we needed more up front and it was a risk relying on Walcott or goals from midfield (although, in theory, there should be plenty from midfield)
This season I was happy to support Wenger while we were in the title race, I've said all along that if we don't properly challenge then he should be sacked. The recent run has probably put us too far behind and, worse, at the expense of Leicester and Spurs. So yeah, he should be sacked. But that doesn't mean he's "clueless" or "incompetent" or "a c***" or all the other things people throw at him.
The flaws he has are the ones he has always had. Not for the last 10 years, for the last 20. He had them when we were successful but the team was so good they didn't matter. But he has his strengths too, those strengths were why that team was so good although some of those strengths - the training and fitness methods, the knowledge of the European game - have been nullified by a combination of other clubs catching up, arguably overtaking us, and some clubs now being able to throw as much money around as they like till they achieve success.
We need someone who can push us on and it's increasingly clear that isn't Wenger. But tt seems it's not enough on here to want Wenger out. You have to believe he has no redeeming features, is a complete incompetent, you need to insult him. You have to believe that everything he says is stupid and wrong - even if you agree with it.
The slightest defence or thought that maybe he's not been so bad despite his flaws and you're "sucking his cock" and think he's flawless.
It's pathetic really.
No problem with any of that. But you and I have discussed the reasons for the 'extremes' many times before (not that I am am an extremist anti Wengerite - I hope). It is down to one thing, and one thing only in my view - namely frustration. And in a perverse way, the extremes are bound up with a latent affection for the manager. Generally speaking (ie in the wider world), most Gooners have been incredibly patient over the past decade. they have recognised the sacrifices that have needed to be made because of the stadium project; they have endured the sales of our best players, and they have believed in the club's message that lean times were necessary in order to allow us to compete properly for honours. But not only has this not happened - but it has become increasingly apparent that Wenger is blind to his shortcomings. I think that fans' frustration is partly the result of us being able to see the benefits of the manager's tenure. We have talented players; and have competed at top 4 level in an era where mega money has come into the game - and it would be a fool who argued that this is not down to our manager.
But from this platform, it is Wenger's obvious failings that have prevented us from pushing on - even when the overall level of our squad has been improved with the addition of world class talent.
Its the hope that kills - and we have seen the potential in our team to do something special. As you say, the first recent FA Cup win was supposed to be a springboard. Yet if anything, we have gone backwards since, and the obvious reality that this is a team failing to live up to its potential because of a manager who will not address its obvious failings has over a long period of time now ground fans down into frustration and disillusionment. There is an oft mis-attributed quote that says madness is doing the same over and over and expecting things to change. Well this is where we seem to be as a club - and I while it may be unfair on an objective level to disregard the benefits that Wenger has brought us in criticising him now, it is understandable in what is an emotional relationship that fans have with the club they love.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Yes - and I agree that the banner displayed after the game was well timed as it showed that the disenchantment of the manager runs deeper than a win or a loss.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Surprised Wright has had a pop at the fan with the banner considering his stance on Wenger.
Is he a 'Wenger Out'? Generally, it does frustrate me the way many people within the game seem to be so precious about Wenger (even while often critisising the flaky nature of his teams). In this respect, its astonishing how Wenger has managed to create this 'hero' cult using a combination of early success, longevity and CL qualification. For me, last night's banner was indicative of the majority of Gooners' attitude - not OTT disrespectful, but simply expressing a situation that has become increasingly apparent - that the manager does not have what it takes to move our club forward. The Stoke station incident is the only example of real disrespect that I can recall - yet many pundits and writers seem to feel that Wenger should be immune from candid criticism of what has ultimately been underperformance for a manager of his stature for a number of years - and something of a shambles this season.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
He once said Arsenal fans were delusional for trusting in Wenger.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...d-8418133.html
He's said more and I think he is being hypocritical. I can see the media and usual pundits starting to round on vocal supporters even though they have been stoking the flames by questioning Wenger's record and failings. It's a dirty game and it only serves to split the fans so we have Ty's on one side and Claude on the other. The media vultures will paint us as victims and Wenger the villain but will soon reverse the roles. The guy with the banner will be in for a rough ride and really surprised at Wright. He of all people should understand the frustration after saying it doesn't seems as though the defeats hurt Wenger.
Oh yes - the press is fickle as hell - and I think that there is a general feeling that we Gooners are spoilt and have a sense of entitlement, rather than recognising that as a whole we have been patient, and have seen our club gently decline from it's position at the top of the table, and are unhappy about this. So for example, they will point out our failure to succeed in the CL, despite being one of Europe's biggest clubs, with the highest ticket prices and gate receipts in the world, yet criticise fans for being disenchanted with the situation.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
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