Match Reaction - Arsenal 1-2 Watford - Wenger Out

[Letters]

Your take is that we have been progressing

No, it isn't.

[selassie]

I have a certain amount of sympathy with Dein and the rest of the board for looking at outside 'investment' initially at the time when Kroenke was brought on board. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and its easy to see the mistakes that were made now. But at the time, I think that Dein was mostly naive and too hasty. Let's remember that he originally introduced Kroenke to the club, and only later sold his shares to Usmanov when he fell out with the rest of the board. Dein clearly felt that the original intention of becoming self-sustaining was in danger of being hijacked with the increasing trend of billionaire owners. Whether his play for Usmanov was because, too late, he saw that Kroenke was not going to invest in the club via the playing side maybe a matter of record (although I haven't looked), but what is for sure is that the Kroenke/Usmanov situation has arisen as the result of a divided board - the rest of whom backed Kroenke mostly as a result of the dispute with Dein. It seems to me that in doing this, they shackled us with an owner with a business model that did not include footballing success.

What I believe in hindsight, however, is that Dein was ambitious for the club, and despite his cock up I judge him less harshly than the others who by the time push came to shove should have seen Kroenke's modus operandi, and yet have left us with the absurd situation where together our owners trump everyone but Citeh in terms of wealth, yet will not invest a penny to try to lead us to significant silverware.

Yep I go with this, I have sympathy for Dein too, he did a lot of good work when he was at the club and he was pretty much the only guy on board who had Wenger in check. Dein most definitely cocked up but his ambitions and drive were always with the club in mind, he genuinely wanted us to evolve into a super power.

[Özim]

No, it isn't.

Well yes it is you've been saying so all along.

[Letters]

Making stuff up

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You want to believe there's no alternative, that's nonsense of course there is it's just that you've been brainwashed into thinking there isn't because that's what the club wants you to think.

IMO to want this man to stay on at the club is not being a supporter at all, he's bad for the club as he's proven over a decade, he's turned us into also rans, Europe's biggest joke and in turn instead of putting football first he prioritises finances, what kinda of football man does this and what kind of football fan supports this?

Like I said your a shortermist, short term imaginary success is what you aspire to see, because there is not going to be any short term real success if you've been watching what's happened in the last 10 years and have any common sense, the only way you're going to see success on the pitch is if we see change and that includes that changing the man you feel you are indifferent about. 10 years of the same thing and you still believe things will change, that is deluded I'm afraid, any way you look at it, there is no hope it's just lies and a delusional belief we can succeed.

If like me you realise that we have no hope of winning, you're not surprised or disappointed when it happens, indeed you realise change is the only thing that can change this losing cycle, not some phantom belief that things that have never changed in the last 10 years will change.

I guess seeing as you believe there's hope we can succeed, do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

Is there any point having a discussion with someone who doesn't respond to what I've said only what he thinks I've said

At what point have I said there's no better alternative to Wenger?. The point as well you know, is that you and I are powerless in bringing about that alternative.

No a supporter is someone who wants the team to win, there is no caveat involved.

I don't want Wenger to stay because I don't believe he can deliver major silverware and the fact that he hasn't this season is gutting because even though it's not a surprise, only someone who isn't a fan can be happy with his club getting poor results irrrespective of who the manager is.

And really? You are trying to argue that the only true fans of the clubs are those who want it to lose so Wenger goes.

I'd love to see you trying to justify that to season ticket holders

Anyway Fulham Broadway is on the district line and I believe it's within walking distance to Stamford Bridge

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

End of the day Zim, you and I both think the club can't progress under Wenger

The difference is I don't hope the team lose games in the vain hope that the club will dispense with him.

Do you really see the club getting rid of Wenger end of the season??...so essentially your delight in our failure will prove to be in vain anyway.

[Globalgunner]

End of the day Zim, you and I both think the club can't progress under Wenger

The difference is I don't hope the team lose games in the vain hope that the club will dispense with him.

Do you really see the club getting rid of Wenger end of the season??...so essentially your delight in our failure will prove to be in vain anyway.

But as Zim pointed out wanting Wenger out and wanting us to win most games are two incompatible concepts. Wengers gambit is simply to win enough games to guarantee 4th place and thus guarantee him a job. Dropping out of the CL and out of contention for excuses is the only way to get rid of the fraud. Wanting that is not inconsistent with wanting the best for the club long term.
Its pretty obvious to me anyway.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But if you want to insist that I'm brainwashed pro Wenger I can always copy and paste you two blogs I wrote about him, one dated in 2011 and one in 2013.

[Letters]

Wengers gambit is simply to win enough games to guarantee 4th place and thus guarantee him a job.

Of course it isn't.
I think we've all come to the agreement that Wenger is no longer able to push us on but it's an inability, not a lack of interest in finishing no higher than 3rd.
Why wouldn't he want to push on and win the title? Especially this year when it was there for the taking.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But as Zim pointed out wanting Wenger out and wanting us to win most games are two incompatible concepts. Wengers gambit is simply to win enough games to guarantee 4th place and thus guarantee him a job. Dropping out of the CL and out of contention for excuses is the only way to get rid of the fraud. Wanting that is not inconsistent with wanting the best for the club long term.
Its pretty obvious to me anyway.

Again I invite you to make that argument to the thousands of fans who go to games week in, week out and tell them they were wrong to want the team to win games.

As I point out again and again and again, we have no leverage over the manager. The only way he does not choose his own departure is if the club enters the same situation Chelsea did under Mourinho.

Do you really want us to fall that hard...do you think that benefits the club?