West Ham away (PL) Match Reaction Thread

[selassie]

We were, fleetingly, 2 points clear.
IMO the moment I snapped was the run after Valentine's Day. We'd been wobbling but the win over Leicester that day put us 2 points behind them.
Then we lost to an embarrassingly depleted ManYoo side and then lost to Swansea at home

So yes, that is unacceptable and that's why I think Wenger should go. But that doesn't mean I think EVERY SINGLE THING he does or says it wrong or ridiculous. But he's clearly not going to push us on any further so we need to find someone who can.

Fair play, even if I do think you are nit picking.

Who said anything about Wenger getting everything wrong?! You are at again, throwing in things that havent been said.

[Marc Overmars]

Well it needs to be ruled out completely that he will ever be sacked, that will simply never happen.

So whatever the feeling towards him when he does leave, it will still be spun like he's gone out on a high and will walk away from the Emirates for the last time to the tune of "My Way" by Frank Sinatra ringing in everyone's ears....there won't be a dry eye in the house.

No one except for Ty will be shedding any tears for him.

Respect will be shown but everyone will also breathe a collective sigh of relief when he calls it a day. He passed up the opportunity to ride off into the sunset in peace by signing this current deal. It was win the league or bust, we all said it.

[Letters]

Who said anything about Wenger getting everything wrong?!

No-one specifically said that, it's just the general mood on this place.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I've called him incompetent, an idiot, an imbecile, an arrogant fool, a stubborn old goat. I've even defined the terms and each is entirely appropriate given his performance levels, his repetitious mistakes, his failure to learn from or even accept those mistakes and his obvious disdain for the fans. I stick by all of it because the facts support what I'm saying.

What have you been saying? He can't compete because other clubs have more money, he's done as well as can be expected because other clubs have more money, there was no point trying to finish as high as possible last season because the title had already gone, he's bought Ozil and Alexis so ignore the fact he didn't strengthen last summer and blew another title, Wenger can be excused because the chavs fucked up, Wenger may have been embarrassed but so have the gypos. Always the excuse.

Bile - anger, bitterness, or irritability. Plenty of fans feeling all of those things right now I would say. And apathy - which comes after anger in many cases. I'll own that. Fans should be angry when the club they support retains a manager who has no ambition. What's the point of competitive sport without ambition?

Bullshit - talk nonsense to (someone) in an attempt to deceive them. Well we have what I'm saying, we have Wenger's record, and we have the bullshit apologies you're shovelling.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No one except for Ty will be shedding any tears for him.

Respect will be shown but everyone will also breathe a collective sigh of relief when he calls it a day.

People are fickle, if Wenger actually announced he was going to go. You'd notice the mood on here change in an instant....i don't mean wanting him to stay but the negative remarks would all stop, it's not to say they are unjustified because they patently are. But the frustration with Wenger is mainly because they don't see any end in sight to his management.

And it will i imagine be emotional, the guy has been here twenty years.....people in prison get institutionalised and there are fans of the club who have never known another manager. Don Howe was manager when i was born, but to be honest i only have vague recollection of anyone but Wenger.

[Özim]

If he walked away acknowledging he can't take us any further people would thank him for all the great things he's done and that would be the end of it, it's his refusal to acknowledge that anything is wrong that is irritating, since he doesn't recognise anything is really not right, he's never going to see the need to improve anything.

I feel his arrogance about how secure his position is can be grating too, it feels like he's sticking two fingers up at the fan and saying I'll stay here as long as I want and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it and the laughing at them.

It's things like this that just don't endear him to some fans, if he was a bit more humble opinions might be a bit different.

[Letters]

It's a terrible post, NQ knows it's a complete twisting of what I've said. It didn't deserve a response.

[Marc Overmars]

People are fickle, if Wenger actually announced he was going to go. You'd notice the mood on here change in an instant....i don't mean wanting him to stay but the negative remarks would all stop, it's not to say they are unjustified because they patently are. But the frustration with Wenger is mainly because they don't see any end in sight to his management.

And it will i imagine be emotional, the guy has been here twenty years.....people in prison get institutionalised and there are fans of the club who have never known another manager. Don Howe was manager when i was born, but to be honest i only have vague recollection of anyone but Wenger.

It would be a time of sentimental reflection, so yeah I'm sure the mood would change but it doesn't mean all the enmity he created himself would forgiven, these lamentable years would have to be mentioned along with the glory years in his eulogies. Wenger is pretty much all I've ever known so I'll be sad because I never imagined it would end with these feelings of regret, but sad that he's actually going? No.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It would be a time of sentimental reflection, so yeah I'm sure the mood would change but it doesn't mean all the enmity he created himself would forgiven, these lamentable years would have to be mentioned along with the glory years in his eulogies. Wenger is pretty much all I've ever known so I'll be sad because I never imagined it would end with these feelings of regret, but sad that he's actually going? No.

I never said people would be sad that he's going, i just think there will be a mawkish sentimentality regarding his departure when he does go.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If he walked away acknowledging he can't take us any further people would thank him for all the great things he's done and that would be the end of it, it's his refusal to acknowledge that anything is wrong that is irritating, since he doesn't recognise anything is really not right, he's never going to see the need to improve anything.

I feel his arrogance about how secure his position is can be grating too, it feels like he's sticking two fingers up at the fan and saying I'll stay here as long as I want and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it and the laughing at them.

It's things like this that just don't endear him to some fans, if he was a bit more humble opinions might be a bit different.

Perhaps but i often get the impression that his haughtiness is often directed at the journalists who claim to be acting as the mouthpiece of the fans

If i was a manager i would acknowledge absolutely no failings in press conferences whatsoever, so you never know it could be what Wenger actually thinks it could be that + he has to present an image of inscrutability. I think there is an element that feels he is owed a bit more respect because he feels he has kept things ticking over despite a difficult period of transition and yes if he was prepared to acknowledge that he was making mistakes you would see changes in his approach, and whilst there have been changes it's always done like For Example oh well i got my side to defend deep and play on the counter against city so that will work against every big side away from home and i don't have to adapt my approach depending on who i play.
But on the other hand he hinted quite openly that he may well have walked away in 2014 had he not won the FA cup, and whilst the offer from the club was there waiting for him to sign he did not sign the contract until after we won. So there is perhaps something there to suggest that he may choose to not sign a new contract even if one is offered to him.