It isn't irrelevant because it goes some way to explain why he isn't addressing what is going wrong.
He is either stupid, deluded or in a malaise.....i think most of us rule out stupid and deluded seems unlikely but even if it were it would suggest a depreciation of his faculties also related to age.
Not so sure about that one!Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I refer to what I said before. His idea of rectifying the problem to the best of his current ability, or methods, doesn't correlate to his desire to do so. We all pick and choose ways of doing things, ignornig what may seem like the best option to others at times. It doesn't mean his choices are always right - clearly they aren't anymore - and it also doesn't mean he is purposely ignoring other things that he knows will improve things. If he doesn't believe in other methods - rightly or wrongly - then he is just as flawed as us all. Stubborness can be the downfall of quite a lot of men but it shouldn't detract from their desire to actually want the best end result.
Sure it's not irrelevant if he believes nothing is wrong but then surely someone in his position with his experience can spot a trend if we as a team keep conceding cheap goals, keep on collapsing in title races etc
He's kind of stupid and deluded to believe that he can win stuff based on his idealistic principles but is too old to change hence why he/we as a football team are caught in this vicious circle.
Last edited by selassie; 13-04-2016 at 10:24 AM.
Yes I see what you are saying here Kano and it's a good point you have touched on and makes complete sense.
You have kind of gone into the grey areas on a matter which on face value is black and white.
I totally see your point though.
I think a lot of what you are saying is linked to Wenger basically have a free reign and doing as he pleases, in a well organised football club, the structure would be such that Wenger would have pressure and would be questioned on his methods so would be forced to change and forced to work off a different approach.
Last edited by selassie; 13-04-2016 at 10:27 AM.
It's very simple
If you know there is a problem but think the only option is to carry on as you are - you are either stupid or deluded, stupid we don't think he is and deluded would suggest a degradation in his mental acuity....which despite some of the insults on here in regards to Wenger is not apparently obvious.
When you come across a problem and don't solve it, it's either you don't know the solution, you think just carrying on the same way will cause the problem to iron itself out or you don't have the motivation to care about it.
And like i say if Wenger doesn't know the solution, the option is there to defer to people who do but it is apparent he has not done so.
That may be and I would buy that, but after 10 years of almost no success any normal person would have changed their methods and adapted to try and find the solution to our lack of success, the fact he hasn't points to a lack of desire to do so or a different perception of success.
Stubborness is understandable in the shorter term, but over a decade to not have succeeded and to stick to the same methodology suggests delusions or an indifference to success on the pitch in favour of success off it.
In addition he's not rectifying a problem to the best of his ability, he's choosing to withold spending in the hope something changes, for example injured players staying fit or the team miraculously improving without any real changes.
Last edited by Özim; 13-04-2016 at 10:44 AM.
He seems quite stubborn and principled. Again, look at Dein's comments about him not wanting to sign a player in a position where he already has an up and coming player whose development he doesn't want to stifle. It's admirable in a way but given how here today, gone tomorrow modern players are it's probably not the most pragmatic approach.
It definitely does exist in the grey areas, which is boring and inconclusive but ultimately that is where nearly almost everything ends up. We all do it - I’m just as quick to think something can be solved through A, B and C and the reason why is we want to solve problems. Believe we all have the answers. It belies our own intelligence to think we can’t come up with the correct solution. It also make discussions far more engaging, rather than everyone shrugging and saying ‘I don’t know’ and staring blankly at each other. But if we get right down to it, the sad, dull truth is that most situations rarely involve black and white answers.
He's definitely stubborn, but even the most stubborn manager would realise things need to change after 10 years of repeated collapses and failures in the biggest competitions.
I don't for one minute believe he doesn't know what he's doing, I believe he values financial success above on the field success and that's how he measures his performance. Whilst he would like to win, there's no doubting that, he's happy enough not winning but making the club a profit and qualifying for the CL, he deems this as success thus in his head he is winning.
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