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    Does anybody seriously believe that this club can ever win the Premiership again under the present regime? Wenger and his supporters do not even see there is a problem.

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    ****stolen******* The year is 2036. Arsene Wenger sits on the bench at The Emirates. His last trophy was the 2015 FA CUP, Although he did reach the 2027 league cup final, but was beaten by a resurgent Ipswich Town side managed by their new boss Jack Wilshere. The recently deceased Stan Kroenke, who's passing was greeted with mixed emotions among the club's fans after his 100% share takeover in 2028, still taunts supporters from his grave, he bequeathed the whole club to his son Joshua, who promised Silent Stan on his deathbed to 'carry on the traditional values of Arsenal' for the next 50 years. Meanwhile Arsene Wenger struggles through another press conference and insists that 'next season we will see", although Arsenal were relegated twice and now languish at the bottom of league one. Fans were seen at the stadium with banners claiming "14th place is not a trophy". Wenger's faith with Olivier Giroud still holds firm, the forward now battling arthritis and chronic sciatica, as well as the low confidence in front of goal that a bald patch in his hair brings. Fans await his 50th birthday when he claims he will "call it a day". Stick with us guys though. Arsene Knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFC Leveller View Post
    ****stolen******* The year is 2036. Arsene Wenger sits on the bench at The Emirates. His last trophy was the 2015 FA CUP, Although he did reach the 2027 league cup final, but was beaten by a resurgent Ipswich Town side managed by their new boss Jack Wilshere. The recently deceased Stan Kroenke, who's passing was greeted with mixed emotions among the club's fans after his 100% share takeover in 2028, still taunts supporters from his grave, he bequeathed the whole club to his son Joshua, who promised Silent Stan on his deathbed to 'carry on the traditional values of Arsenal' for the next 50 years. Meanwhile Arsene Wenger struggles through another press conference and insists that 'next season we will see", although Arsenal were relegated twice and now languish at the bottom of league one. Fans were seen at the stadium with banners claiming "14th place is not a trophy". Wenger's faith with Olivier Giroud still holds firm, the forward now battling arthritis and chronic sciatica, as well as the low confidence in front of goal that a bald patch in his hair brings. Fans await his 50th birthday when he claims he will "call it a day". Stick with us guys though. Arsene Knows
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodders View Post
    Does anybody seriously believe that this club can ever win the Premiership again under the present regime? Wenger and his supporters do not even see there is a problem.
    I don't.

    Though the "Wenger Junkies" say give him one more season, let him get it right in the summer, get what right? He doesn't buy what we need and doesn't appear to be hot on his tactics?

    He has to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    1) People are sick of seeing the same thing season in, season out....before they were prepared to buy the idea that it was other clubs were able to outspend us but that idea has been turned on it's head.
    I'm not sure it has been turned on its head, the influence of money in the last 10 years can't be dismissed, just look at where the trophies have ended up. This is the first year a club with comparatively small resources have won it for years and years, the last two smaller clubs to win it were Leeds and Blackburn and they both spent heavily to do so.
    But the new TV deals are starting to level the playing field and our new financial deals mean we should be able to compete now. We haven't and it's increasingly clear that Wenger's not able to any more.

    I don't think it's as simple as he was once a brilliant manager and now he's a dribbling moran, I just think his strengths no longer give us an edge. It's not that he doesn't have those strengths any more, they're just not revolutionary like they were when he joined us. If anything he's now behind the times in terms of fitness methods and scouting. And his weaknesses - again, I believe they were always there - are now more apparent because we don't have that edge.

    I'm not convinced he deserves the level of vitriol he gets, but he is increasingly pointing fingers at anyone but himself and he's no longer the right man for the job. I just hope he goes before it gets too messy.
    But he won't be leaving a car crash behind, we're still a top 4 club, we've got loads of money in the bank for whoever takes over and a squad not far from good enough to win the league.

    The lack of effort I agree with, to see them floundering away yesterday going through the motions was pathetic. I could almost accept us being pipped to the title by Leicester - they're having a remarkable season - if I felt we were really giving everything to compete with them. That Walcott thing sums it up for me, where's the desire?

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    It has been turned on it's head, because it's become clear that it doesn't matter whether we are up against Man City or Leicester City for the title, we fail in exactly the same way.
    Money is obviously a big factor in that it has allowed teams in like Man City or Chelsea who could never hope to win Premier League titles previously.

    But this is honestly a smoke screen that detracts from our performance, in the previous six seasons we have lost at least seven games a total which no team in the Premier League era has gone on to win the title with in a 38 game season.

    It's not the case that we have done our best and we have just been frustrated by the incredible points accumulation of the big money sides, even if we hadn't won the title if just once since 2005 we have finished runners up and had challenged for the title right down to the wire (Like Liverpool have done twice) there would be a bigger argument to be had for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    I don't.

    Though the "Wenger Junkies" say give him one more season, let him get it right in the summer, get what right? He doesn't buy what we need and doesn't appear to be hot on his tactics?

    He has to go.
    I said "one more season" last year, I think he earned that - we retained the Cup beating Utd on the way and we were superb in the Cup Final (against a very poor side, admittedly, but still). There were a few reasons for cautious optimism.
    And because I was in the "one more season" camp it made sense to judge him at the end of the season, not the middle or even the beginning. Even as late as February we were in the title race so I think it was only fair to see how things panned out.
    And it's panned out to be a car crash, so #WengerOut. But I don't think it was so unreasonable to see how the season went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I said "one more season" last year, I think he earned that - we retained the Cup beating Utd on the way and we were superb in the Cup Final (against a very poor side, admittedly, but still). There were a few reasons for cautious optimism.
    And because I was in the "one more season" camp it made sense to judge him at the end of the season, not the middle or even the beginning. Even as late as February we were in the title race so I think it was only fair to see how things panned out.
    And it's panned out to be a car crash, so #WengerOut. But I don't think it was so unreasonable to see how the season went.

    What about next season? He's not leaving so we're stuck with him for at least another year. I'm already furious at the way we will chuck the 2016/17 season, collapsing at the key moment as always. What a bloody disgrace of a season that's going to be. Am I being premature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I'm not sure it has been turned on its head, the influence of money in the last 10 years can't be dismissed, just look at where the trophies have ended up. This is the first year a club with comparatively small resources have won it for years and years, the last two smaller clubs to win it were Leeds and Blackburn and they both spent heavily to do so.
    But the new TV deals are starting to level the playing field and our new financial deals mean we should be able to compete now. We haven't and it's increasingly clear that Wenger's not able to any more.

    I don't think it's as simple as he was once a brilliant manager and now he's a dribbling moran, I just think his strengths no longer give us an edge. It's not that he doesn't have those strengths any more, they're just not revolutionary like they were when he joined us. If anything he's now behind the times in terms of fitness methods and scouting. And his weaknesses - again, I believe they were always there - are now more apparent because we don't have that edge.

    I'm not convinced he deserves the level of vitriol he gets, but he is increasingly pointing fingers at anyone but himself and he's no longer the right man for the job. I just hope he goes before it gets too messy.
    But he won't be leaving a car crash behind, we're still a top 4 club, we've got loads of money in the bank for whoever takes over and a squad not far from good enough to win the league.

    The lack of effort I agree with, to see them floundering away yesterday going through the motions was pathetic. I could almost accept us being pipped to the title by Leicester - they're having a remarkable season - if I felt we were really giving everything to compete with them. That Walcott thing sums it up for me, where's the desire?
    Take away hyperbole and no-one is accusing him of being a dribbling moron, but it's abundantly clear that he is more secure in his job than arguably any other manager in the premier league (it is abnormal for someone to essentially appoint their own boss) it's not a healthy position for any manager to be in and it would almost certainly have had a detrimental effect on his managerial performance...because he has no one around to encourage or challenge his decision making.
    He is too cautious in his decision making in terms of transfers and team formation (when has that changed in the last five-six years?), he insists on micromanaging every footballing aspect of the club and then obviously spreads himself too thinly in order to affect proper match preparation at times. And yes it seems like the players are not responding to the instructions he gives in the dressing room on the pitch.
    He's 66 Letters, this is the management of a Tired individual who is treading water and whose ego has been allowed to border on megalomania.....do you really think even if he accepted he needs to go back to the drawing board that the motivation to begin again is really going to be there at his age?

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