Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Özim]

Meh you could even argue Villarreal nor Chelsea wanted to sell Gabriel or Cech to us but they did.

The point is to get the player to want to come, can or indeed will we do that with targets this summer? Who knows. Possibly not but I guess it depends how much the club considers how difficult a champions league place will be in attaining.

Cech wanted to leave Chelsea and they had Courtois, they were happy to let him go they couldn't keep two keepers like that on their books. Villereal are a small club, easy pickings if you want their players.

[Power n Glory]

Meh you could even argue Villarreal nor Chelsea wanted to sell Gabriel or Cech to us but they did.

The point is to get the player to want to come, can or indeed will we do that with targets this summer? Who knows. Possibly not but I guess it depends how much the club considers how difficult a champions league place will be in attaining.

It's not really a comparison though. Two players no other top clubs were looking at and for small fees. It's nothing we haven't really done before. Going all out for Aubameyang...now that would be a statement because Dortmund are trying fend off bids and have set a silly price tag.

[Power n Glory]

Cech wanted to leave Chelsea and they had Courtois, they were happy to let him go they couldn't keep two keepers like that on their books. Villereal are a small club, easy pickings if you want their players.

My thoughts exactly.

[Power n Glory]

Aye, Ozil, Sanchez and Cech (to a lesser degree) fell into our laps.

I'm not confident with us when it comes to pursuing stubborn targets, in the past when we pursue stubborn targets such as Suarez etc we tend to do one or two low ball offers and then walk away, we did the same with Cabaye when he was at Newcastle...to be fair, Herb could be on the money with his comment about Wenger, because Wenger is known for dithering.

I like Icardi and think we should aggressively pursue him, but I don't think we will....it's just not how we operate.

I'm not confident either. If it's not a smooth deal I suspect we'll be the first to blink. He'll probably have hisneyes on the Euros and Copa. Make a bid for some striker from Iceland or something.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't believe Wenger identifies problem areas, he just finds players he likes and then slots then in, had all of last summer to sign a striker yet nothing, it's not about the position it's about the player and I simply don't trust him in the transfer market, he's a total screw up in that respect.

Can't believe people still believe he'll do what we need, you can't get burnt repeatedly by something and still believe it's not hot. I'm expecting another rubbish summer where he dithers, misses out on quslity players because he's not interested or won't pay the going rate and then makes excuses about the Euros, the lack of quality and only bringing in better players than we have, waiting periods, not needing players in positions as we have x,y and z there and the token nobody signed up and hailed as the next big thing and proving you don't have to spend money to get quality.

Transfer windows at this club are invariably a disappointment and the way Wenger harps on I expect this to be more of the same, yes names will get banded about but they won't arrive, much like Benzema, Higuain, Suarez etc etc.

Benzema last summer was a joke, he wasn't ever going to come in a month of Sundays however long Wenger decided to sit idly on his hands. The most boring manager in football will no doubt serve us up another snoozefest this summer where we watch all of the other clubs sign up players whilst we sit around on our back sides.

Bit simplistic, we signed a midfielder in January because we had a clear shortage of them through injury and transfer procrastination.

You say people get burnt and then still choose to believe Wenger will do the right thing, it's not a matter of choice he's the manager whether we like it or not it's not about having faith in him implicitly. It's about there is nothing I can do but hope that he changes his mentality.

If you want to say Villarreal are a small club than presently so are Inter, if we can take a player from a side that is likely to finish in the champions league places in Spain, it's not inconceivable we could take from a Serie A team. It always depends on how much we want the player. I question how much Wenger actually wanted Higuain or Suarez judging by the fact that he didn't sign a goal scorer for another year.
I don't even mind if we went for this Dutch guy from AZ as long as it's because Wenger thinks he's something special rather than just getting a bargain.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

On another subject, can't help but notice lack of Letters of late. Has he died from cholera caught from drinking water from a well during his trip to Chennai?

[Maestro]

I honestly think the main trouble with Wenger is being risk adverse, if he took the chance on someone like Icardi even if it didn't work out id think "well at least he's actually tried".

If Wenger went all out to win things, I'd have more respect for him even if he was unsuccessful. I don't think there is any shame in trying and failing, but there is in not trying and trying to shift the goal posts on what can be called success.

Brilliant post. If he actually cared and tried his best, I'd also have sympathy and semblance of respect for him ...but no, he knows best.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Brilliant post. If he actually cared and tried his best, I'd also have sympathy and semblance of respect for him ...but no, he knows best.

I don't think it's even not caring, it's just his personality very stubborn and conservative. No one should have the power he has been given at Arsenal and certainly not someone with his personality traits. It's an age thing as well, in the financial position we are in now along with someone to push him like Dein, Wenger of ten-twelve years ago you'd be fairly confident that he could mix it up with the best.

You don't go from an unbeaten season to being an entrenched old fossil overnight, the environment at the club has slowly allowed him to go rusty. Of course he takes blame for that himself he has become complacent and hasn't pushed himself hard enough. He's been allowed to get away with thinking he's the untouchable savour of our football club and live in a bubble where he is practically delusional now.

[Kano]

Brilliant post. If he actually cared and tried his best, I'd also have sympathy and semblance of respect for him ...but no, he knows best.

He clearly cares and tries his best - it's just his best is not good enough and hasn't been for quite a while.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cech wanted to leave Chelsea and they had Courtois, they were happy to let him go they couldn't keep two keepers like that on their books. Villereal are a small club, easy pickings if you want their players.

Mourinho was not happy to let him go.