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    apparently we are playing hardball and haggling over a £2m difference in valuation with Borussia Monchengladbach over this car jacker guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by I am invisible View Post
    Yeah, I don't get it either [about Morata]? Admittedly I'm only going off YT clips, but, dare I say, I thought he looked pretty boring? Are we missing something?
    I think a few things have worked in his favour....
    1 - Scoring a number of high profile / important goals
    2 - The affiliation with Real and the fact they have a buy back clause
    3- The dearth of world class Spanish forwards


    I really don't care what our outlay is......what I want to see is the club identify genuine targets they feel can take us to the next level.....and actually show some conviction in the player identify and pay whatever it is to get him.........whether it costs 50 million or 50p.

    For example if we spot an obscure player who is slightly on the young side but we have a strong feeling he will be Suarez level..... sign him, even if it is more than the going rate for an unknown young player.

    ANyway from what I hear we are looking at something like....

    Raphaël Guerreiro (LB)
    Rob Holding (CB)
    Granit Xhaka(DCM)
    Mystery striker?

    But I'd like us to add someone of Reus's quality like Nabil Fekir or at least with that potential.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    Well, as things stand, we are starting the season down on squad numbers overall and quality in at least 3 positions;

    Rosicky - squad filler gone
    Arteta - squad filler gone
    Flamini - squad filler gone
    Oxlade - squad filler long term injury
    Welbz - first team player long term injury
    Walnut - squad filler touted to leave and shit if he stays
    Striker - need quality, been a long term problem position
    Right Winger/Forward - need quality, many players tried there and still no top quality
    Central Midfield - need quality reinforcement, given all the departures
    Central Defence - need quality reinforcement, given Per's arthritis and Gabriel's greenness ...no real competition there
    Right Back - reinforcement may be required due to likely departure of Debuchy and Jenko's wilderness

    Wenger relies on having a quality squad to achieve anything due to his tactical and motivational limitations. We have a decent team but gosh there is work to do and the injuries, departures and forever unaddressed key positions will see us struggle next season if we dither, deliberate and hang in limbo.

    What Wenger do ....let me guess, dither, deliberate and hang in limbo. Well he's here for the long haul and he's buckled in tight, so let's sit back relax and watch what will unfold.


    Definitely going:
    Arteta (CM)
    Rosicky (CM)
    Flamini (CM)

    Almost certainly going:
    Debuchy (RB)

    Quite possibly going:
    Ospina (GK)

    On loan, and might not come back if we get a suitable offer:
    Szczesny (GK)
    Jenkinson (RB)

    Meh:
    Walcott (CF/RW)
    Gibbs (LB)

    No defined role / not really sure what they do for us:
    Ramsey (CM)
    Oxlade-Chamberlain (RW/CM)

    Long-term injury:
    Welbeck (CF)

    Not getting any younger:
    Mertesacker (CB)
    Koscielny (CB)
    Monreal (LB)
    Cazorla (CM)

    Wilshere:
    Wilshere (CM)

    As you say, it's the depth that looks like it needs the real work here. The starting XI could certainly benefit form a little bit of extra world-class in a couple of areas, but in general, with all of our best players fit, I think we have a solid 13 or 14 players who contribute well. Unfortunately that's about half of what we need for a long season, competing on 4 fronts (with internationals thrown in for good measure).

    Not all of those players listed above necessarily need to be shipped out, and I'd be happy enough to see a few of the more promising younger players and loanees get a chance if they're looking ready, but I'd still be looking at a lot more than 3 additions, no matter how good those 3 players are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by I am invisible View Post


    Definitely going:
    Arteta (CM)
    Rosicky (CM)
    Flamini (CM)

    Almost certainly going:
    Debuchy (RB)

    Quite possibly going:
    Ospina (GK)

    On loan, and might not come back if we get a suitable offer:
    Szczesny (GK)
    Jenkinson (RB)

    Meh:
    Walcott (CF/RW)
    Gibbs (LB)

    No defined role / not really sure what they do for us:
    Ramsey (CM)
    Oxlade-Chamberlain (RW/CM)

    Long-term injury:
    Welbeck (CF)

    Not getting any younger:
    Mertesacker (CB)
    Koscielny (CB)
    Monreal (LB)
    Cazorla (CM)

    Wilshere:
    Wilshere (CM)

    As you say, it's the depth that looks like it needs the real work here. The starting XI could certainly benefit form a little bit of extra world-class in a couple of areas, but in general, with all of our best players fit, I think we have a solid 13 or 14 players who contribute well. Unfortunately that's about half of what we need for a long season, competing on 4 fronts (with internationals thrown in for good measure).

    Not all of those players listed above necessarily need to be shipped out, and I'd be happy enough to see a few of the more promising younger players and loanees get a chance if they're looking ready, but I'd still be looking at a lot more than 3 additions, no matter how good those 3 players are...
    A very interesting list. I think that Cazorla has one more year as a strong contender for the starting XI. However, I saw an article (rumour)(http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...pp-Mario-Gotze) that said that Goetze was interested in Liverpool but only if they could provide European football. I would love to see Arsenal go for him.

    Taking everything with a tonne or two of salt, it seems that Arsenal are definitely in for Morata and Xhaka. Add someone like Goetze and a young centre back, things would be looking really good.
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    Thing with Gotze is where he would fit. He was excellent for Dortmund behind Lewandowski but being played out wide at Bayern and Germany he's not been so hot. Same problem if he goes to Pool, as I can't see Klopp shifting Coutinho out of the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Thing with Gotze is where he would fit. He was excellent for Dortmund behind Lewandowski but being played out wide at Bayern and Germany he's not been so hot. Same problem if he goes to Pool, as I can't see Klopp shifting Coutinho out of the picture.
    Agreed that there is a problem of where he might fit. However, could he be a very good replacement for Sanchez if the rumours of discontent are true?
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    If we lose Alexis we're done. A whole season on and I can't for the life of me understand why L'Crackhead didn't at least make a bid for Vidal, the perfect addition to a good start in signing Alexis. Now here we are, another also-ran, nothing season under our belts and we have to listen to talk about the players who are just in the door looking to head back out. Clouseau needs to get a fucking clue this summer and start showing some intent. It's not his fucking club to do with as he wishes.

    Alright, apparently it IS his fucking club to do with as he wishes. Regardless, spend some fucking money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner View Post
    Agreed that there is a problem of where he might fit. However, could he be a very good replacement for Sanchez if the rumours of discontent are true?
    I'm not convinced he works too well out wide, which has been a problem at Bayern/Germany. He would drift inside a lot as that's his natural inclination and that adds to the usual over crowding and focus on central play. We could do with at least one player that is comfortable playing out wide as we haven't had one in ages and it helps stretch play and not rely so much on Bellerin/Monreal then being caught out of position on the break. Given counter-attacking is heavily used in the league again, that's an important point I think, given our high line. Gotze playing centrally I can see but Ozil is there of course and Wilshere behind him. Play him on the wing and I don't think we'd see what he can really do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
    apparently we are playing hardball and haggling over a £2m difference in valuation with Borussia Monchengladbach over this car jacker guy
    That's not hardball, that's the entree. When we get down to haggling over 50 pence pieces, that's when we go hardball.
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    I do not believe that the team would be done if Sanchez leaves. Yes, there will be problems but the team will survive and thrive if he is replaced properly. As for Vidal, I recall talking to a friend at the time. My freind is an Inter Milan fan and keeps a close eye on the Italian scene. Most of the reports in Italy were saying Vidal wanted to go to Bayern, so there was little to no chance for Arsenal to get him.

    When it comes to transfer reports and rumours, we have to be very sceptical about them. Until a player is presented by the club, we have to remember that many rumours are "leaked" in order to strengthen a party's hand in negotiations.
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