Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Özim]

It's odd that he doesn't correct the players in training except if they do a long ball. Why be so vocal about that particular part of a players game but not stop the game and correct players when they’re beaten too easily and not defending hard enough? Why not shout at Wilshere for over dribbling or Walcott for not even attempting to take on his man? He may feel it’s not constructive to shout at a player during a game or training to correct a mistake but it’s pretty evident from every team he’s coached that hoofing the ball forward is unacceptable. So they’re taking something in when he shouts instructions. It’s pretty clear what’s acceptable and what’s not in the squad so I don’t get why players can get away with slack defending and they don’t get a bollocking in front of their teammates. A quiet word after training or game just isn’t enough.

It's what I suspected all along, he never has a go at players in public and he doesn't do it behind closed doors either, he just chooses to let them get on with it and occasionally come out with one of his one liners, this isn't management at all and isn't what young players need at all.

Let's be honest, very little has changed in 10 years, the same problems we had then are here now and nothing is ever done about them and it won't be, we all know that.

[Globalgunner]

People always make jokes when I say it but I will say it again. Even a complete berk like Allardyce would improve this club massively. Yes he may not entice the ;likes of Ozil and Sanchez to come in the first place. But even they now know what a wally of a manager he is and are looking for the nearest exit before he puts the cloak of invisibility over whats left of their careers.

[Kano]

People always make jokes when I say it but I will say it again. Even a complete berk like Allardyce would improve this club massively.

So that would mean winning the league under Allardyce?

I won't make a joke but I will just laugh.

[Özim]

So that would mean winning the league under Allardyce?

I won't make a joke but I will just laugh.

Improving doesn't necessarily mean winning, it means making us more competitive (we were 2nd but out of the running quite a while before the season ended), making us more exciting to watch and more unpredictable so that we can upset the big boys in the CL.

Signing a few decent players would also be an improvement.

We ended up 2nd last season, but let's be honest we never looked capable of winning it and played poorly for months. With Wenger there's simply no hope that we can win one of the major prizes, a new major will come with renewed entusiasm that perhaps that can change.

Frankly last season was a car crash, it wouldn't be hard to improve on that.

[Kano]

[Özim]

Must be sunstroke making you feel this way, you should sit in the shade for a bit.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If Allardyce was capable of making us more competitive than it stands to reason he'd have got a better job by now.

The joke is that people complain about the football being dull under Wenger, whilst i am sympathetic...what do you think it would be like under Allardyce?

Allardyce is a solid manager for clubs battling relegation or mid table clubs that is it, and whilst Wenger cannot take us forward and whilst top four isn't an achievement that is anything other than a means to an ends, he has done it with squads that have no business qualifying for the top four.

The think we can't stand is the sameness every season, we never fall below a certain level but we never rise above it either, and as much as Wenger is stubborn, prevaricates on Transfers and does not learn from his mistakes....it is clear that the frustration with him is as much about familiarity breeding contempt. That's not a criticism of his detractors, i think it's understandable to be fed up season after season seeing the big trophies seemingly just out of grasp but in reality it's a mirror trick and we were nowhere near.

And i think familiarity breeds contempt is a good way of explaining anyone seriously entertaining the idea that managers like Pulis, Allardyce etc would do a better job for us than Wenger, it's laughable really. The whole point of wanting to get rid of Wenger is to get a top manager in.....not wanting to get rid of him because some people have become so bored of him that they want to punch him in the conk every time they see him on television.

[Globalgunner]

There has never in the last 10 years been a time where we did not have a team capable of achieving top 4
Pls be specific otherwise it is pure revisionism. The one thing Allardyce or any other sane manager would not do is see the same deficiencies each year and do nothing to correct them. The overwhelming feeling I get from Wenger is that he quickly, almost immediately brushes off each hopeless season as down to bad luck. Same again next season....this time with a little luck...and we will win everything!

P.S Allardyce is probably favourite to be next England manager. Hilarious I know but it seems others outside GW think he has some nous

[Özim]

If Allardyce was capable of making us more competitive than it stands to reason he'd have got a better job by now.

The joke is that people complain about the football being dull under Wenger, whilst i am sympathetic...what do you think it would be like under Allardyce?

Allardyce is a solid manager for clubs battling relegation or mid table clubs that is it, and whilst Wenger cannot take us forward and whilst top four isn't an achievement that is anything other than a means to an ends, he has done it with squads that have no business qualifying for the top four.

The think we can't stand is the sameness every season, we never fall below a certain level but we never rise above it either, and as much as Wenger is stubborn, prevaricates on Transfers and does not learn from his mistakes....it is clear that the frustration with him is as much about familiarity breeding contempt. That's not a criticism of his detractors, i think it's understandable to be fed up season after season seeing the big trophies seemingly just out of grasp but in reality it's a mirror trick and we were nowhere near.

And i think familiarity breeds contempt is a good way of explaining anyone seriously entertaining the idea that managers like Pulis, Allardyce etc would do a better job for us than Wenger, it's laughable really. The whole point of wanting to get rid of Wenger is to get a top manager in.....not wanting to get rid of him because some people have become so bored of him that they want to punch him in the conk every time they see him on television.

Obviously we want a good manager to come in when he leaves, but at the end of the day he just needs to leaves, he's destroyed football for many fans, his ways and ideas have made sure fans are no longer that bothered about watching their club, they don't enjoy it, it's not even entertaining, there's no unpredictability.

I could never have envisaged one man could destroy a club so much without actually getting it relegated, but in many fans eyes he has, there's a lot of people who now feel very indifferent about watching our games and that's all because of him.

Wenger has runined his legacy now, the great football and success of yesteryear is now secondary in many people's minds and at the same time the great club we once were is also a distant memory, replaced by this corporate monster that really doesn't give a damn about football, I don't like what he's turned us into, this will be his legacy.

The greatest manager in Arsenal's history, no I don't think so, that has to go to a man who puts football first, he'll without doubt be the longest serving manager however and I hope this achievement is never beaten because we've seen what can happen when a manager stays on too long first hand.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal under Wenger plays the most boring and frustrating football in the world. Name one club that plays more boring football than us, and be honest about it. Not even Maureen is as boring as Wenger. ANY person, doesn't even have to be a football manager, would deliver more entertaining football than Wenger. This doesn't mean they'd win, but at least the shit would be watchable. As things stand, our football is good for nothing - except maybe as an all-in-one sedative and laxative.

How experienced a manager do you have to be to tell a player in front of goal to shoot? Or instruct a midfielder to play the odd forward pass every now and again. I think anyone but Wenger is a valid slogan that has merit behind it. Get some piece of shit in and sack him after 5 games. But do SOMETHING to break out of this coma.