Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is so ridiculous. Wenger isn't a shit manager. How could he be? We never spend any money and yet every year we're there abouts. If he was that bad this wouldn't be the case.

Of course there are better managers out there and we could definitely be doing a lot more to improve our team. We agree on that.

I don't buy into Wenger being the worst manager of all time just because he doesn't spend money where we want him to.

I'm fairly sure we would have won the league if we had bought Suarez. I'm sure if you could see objectively for 5 seconds you would agree.

I didn't say he was the worst of all time, I said he was shite and I stick by that. All those resources and look at his record. Appalling. And finishing in the top 4 is NOT a trophy, no matter how much he spins it. Why should I be objective about this arsehole when he's stunk the place out for a decade and refuses to do a damn thing about it? There comes a time when the concern becomes a hint becomes a suggestion becomes a plea becomes a demand becomes an OH FUCK OFF YOU OLD GIT! And that's where I am now and that's where I'm staying. It's not like he's been fucking up for a few games or even a few seasons. 10 seasons is enough now.

[Niall_Quinn]

The most sensible opinion to have is that Wenger is a manager who is too stubborn to learn from his mistakes

A shit manager would have been sacked, because the money is coming in there is little incentive to push him to be more proactive, delegate responsibility and be willing to learn from his mistakes.

The contempt people have for him is borne out of knowing the club should be competitive, but seems to fall in much the same way at much the same time during the season, and can see the link between this and a reactive submissive attitude in the transfer market.

That and the perceived lack of ruthlessness towards under performing players, whilst all the while it's costing more and more to see the same thing.

He's not shit, but he's a bane towards fans who quite understandably are sick of more of the same.

Oh but wait a second. I have always said he's a world class accountant and he's rather a good thief and liar too. So I'm not saying he's shit at everything. You are right. When it comes to money and raking it in, he's the best manager in the business.

[Niall_Quinn]

You have said previously that new signings won't make a difference. But you keep complaining we're not making new signings.
Dress it up how you like, you're contradicting yourself so you can score more IHateWengerMoreThanYou points.
Still think Zim is winning but you're catching up.

You're making shit up as usual. I said we need to sign world class players to compensate for the failings of our manager. If we had enough players with the talent and character then maybe collectively they could beat the handicap that Wenger imposes on the club season after season. But Wenger is such a fraud even a team of Ozil's might not be enough. But that's not to say we shouldn't try. Of course the old git has that avenue covered too, with the chequebook secreted up his anus every transfer window and manure gushing out of his gob in 101 excuses. Keep apologising for him all day long. His record speaks more for him than you try to do.

[Niall_Quinn]

I do look at the fees being splashed around and have some sympathy with the view that it's silly money and we shouldn't play. But unfortunately we have to, Leicester showed you can achieve success without spending bit but it was the perfect storm for them last year with us doing what we do and all the other big boys having a bad season at once. They won't repeat it. What they did was very much the exception rather than the rule, if we're going to compete we have to spend big.
BUT, that doesn't mean that having a sustainable model is a bad idea. Like it or not football is a business and any business has to be financially sustainable in order to prosper long term.

And that's the whole point. Football is NOT a typical industry at all and is not bound by the rules of regular business - at least not at the top level. It has a captive market therefore zero competition, club revenues are rising in line with a decline in the product, more and more losers are being compensated massively for their failures - just look at Villa last season. This is NOT a normal industry at all and a fool like Wenger and the cronies in the boardroom who benefit mightily by trying to con the fan base with their nonsense talk are going to find it harder to pull the wool.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Oh but wait a second. I have always said he's a world class accountant and he's rather a good thief and liar too. So I'm not saying he's shit at everything. You are right. When it comes to money and raking it in, he's the best manager in the business.

It's also that not finishing lower than fourth whilst massively overstated as an achievement is a consistency that no other club has achieved, and would be beyond the level of a shit manager.

He's not a top manager because he doesn't have the ability to achieve big trophies, but difference between not being a top manager and being shit.

And the problem is there are people on here (and I don't mean you) who seem to think any manager would be better than Wenger.

[bignev]

I didn't say he was the worst of all time, I said he was shite and I stick by that. All those resources and look at his record. Appalling.

Appalling?

[Letters]

Didn't Giroud go 18 games without scoring a goal, or something like that? That's what kills you, the inconsistency. Better to have a striker that scores less but scores every other week than a part-timer like Giroud who score in one clump and then fucks off for the rest of the season.

I think we all know that Giroud isn't going to win us a league title. I'm just picking Zim up on yet more goalpost shifting. He's a big fan of stats when they backup something he says, he dismisses them when they show him to be wrong. This bloke isn't significantly better than Giroud, Giroud keeps him out of the French team and his scoring stats are better, Gameiro has only scored 20 league goals in a season once in his entire career, he's clearly not an upgrade on what we have.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's also that not finishing lower than fourth whilst massively overstated as an achievement is a consistency that no other club has achieved, and would be beyond the level of a shit manager.

He's not a top manager because he doesn't have the ability to achieve big trophies, but difference between not being a top manager and being shit.

And the problem is there are people on here (and I don't mean you) who seem to think any manager would be better than Wenger.

We're obviously talking about managers fit to manage at the top level of the game. Wenger's the biggest fraud around in the respect. When a West Ham or a Leicester qualify for Europe then you congratulate them. Their resources don't come close to matching the "big 5", the talent pool they can draw from is much smaller. So it has to be a great effort to grab a top 4 spot. And even then, realistically they are relying on one or more of the top clubs fucking up.

We call ourselves a top 5 club and we have all the resources available to back that claim up. But we behave like one of those smaller clubs, patting ourselves on the back because we qualify for a European competition we never manage to compete in. And this is a clue to the real value of that top 4 spot - more money. On the pitch it means nothing. We don't fight it out in the CL, we don't fight it out in the transfer market. Instead we qualify, turn up, take our hiding and bank the cash. And this is supposedly a top manager at the helm. The record proves he's a fraud. Ferguson, Maureen, Fat Rafa, Ranieri, Pellegrini even Di Matteo - these are all managers who can point to success. By comparison, where is Wenger? I don't know how he's got away with it for so long.

[Letters]

Appalling?

WUMs gotta WUM...

[Niall_Quinn]

Appalling?

Yes. Appalling. Unless you are genuinely going to point at the top 4 and call it a trophy. Or tell me that the FA Cup is a worthy return on the resources available to this man. Utd, City, Chelsea, Liverpool even, Leicester FFS - all of these clubs can point to a major trophy in their cabinet. What can Wenger point at, by comparison? Fuck all is the answer. Fuck all sounds pretty appalling to me, considering what he's had to work with and how much cash is shovelled into his own pocket. The huge problem here is Wenger and his cronies have brainwashed so many of the fans into thinking being an also-ran has merit. A decade in which to build a team that can compete for a title and avoid being crushed by the first decent opponent in the CL. What is his record? Good? Average? Poor?

It's appalling.