Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[LDG]

Wenger doesn't speculate to accumulate.

He accumulates guff to speculate.

[bignev]

Failing that i'd be tempted by Daniel Sturridge if i had any faith that he wouldn't be beasted in training by Wenger or knobbled by the backroom staff

I was with you until this point.

Sturridge has looked average (and injured) since Suarez left. No thanks

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Injured yes, average no don't agree....i think he is one of the most naturally gifted goalscorers in the premier league.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not convinced Wenger agrees otherwise he'd have stumped up the money. That's the point i'm trying to make, i don't agree with the conclusions he comes to but to say it makes no sense is something else. If Wenger rated him and thought he would fit into the style of football he wanted to play i think he'd have stumped up the cash or at least considered going in for a higher offer.

I think with Giroud he was spending less money, he scored a lot of goals for Montpellier in their title winning season so because of the price tag it made it much less of a risk for him. That's how he works....it's always how he works.

He is basically obsessed with this stats database which is his bible, apparently he went for Welbeck based on it's advice.

For what it's worth i don't rate Lacazette either, i think it's telling that besides West Ham no one else is in for him.....and that Lyon appear to almost be pushing him on us because they know the player wants to leave.

If we are determined to only spend money on one attacking player i reiterate i think it should be Mahrez

Failing that i'd be tempted by Daniel Sturridge if i had any faith that he wouldn't be beasted in training by Wenger or knobbled by the backroom staff

We bid £20m for Vardy because of the buyout clause. He’s a similar player to Lacazette but older, cheaper and less history at the top level. Now if Lacazette was available for £20m would Wenger jump at the chance to buy him? I think so. If Vardy’s buyout clause was £40m I doubt we’d have bid for Vardy. If Giroud was being sold for £40m I seriously doubt we’d have bid for him either. It seems like the price tag dictates who Wenger rates. It’s not about quality. If so, I can’t see what Vardy has that Lacazette doesn’t have. Wenger said last season we need a 20 goal striker to win the league. Lacazette has scored over 20 for the past 3 seasons. That’s more than Vardy’s one season. Wenger also said a striker needs pace. Check for Zette again. He’s French. He’s the right age. It’s just not the right price. That’s the sticking point and where Wenger has his priorities around the wrong way.

The whole argument of whether Wenger rates him or not….if we really bid £30m then he rates him. Just not enough to bid £40m. Why? When I go to shop and feel like I’m being overcharged for a product I know I can get cheaper or can get something better at the same price, I’ll move on and won’t pay. So unless Wenger has a target in his mind that he knows he can get for his desired price, I really don’t know what he’s playing at. It makes no sense. He has said we need a striker. As for not rating a player because of who else made a bid…who else bid for Giroud? Who else bid for Xhaka?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We bid £20m for Vardy because of the buyout clause. He’s a similar player to Lacazette but older, cheaper and less history at the top level. Now if Lacazette was available for £20m would Wenger jump at the chance to buy him? I think so. If Vardy’s buyout clause was £40m I doubt we’d have bid for Vardy. If Giroud was being sold for £40m I seriously doubt we’d have bid for him either. It seems like the price tag dictates who Wenger rates. It’s not about quality. If so, I can’t see what Vardy has that Lacazette doesn’t have. Wenger said last season we need a 20 goal striker to win the league. Lacazette has scored over 20 for the past 3 seasons. That’s more than Vardy’s one season. Wenger also said a striker needs pace. Check for Zette again. He’s French. He’s the right age. It’s just not the right price. That’s the sticking point and where Wenger has his priorities around the wrong way.

The whole argument of whether Wenger rates him or not….if we really bid £30m then he rates him. Just not enough to bid £40m. Why? When I go to shop and feel like I’m being overcharged for a product I know I can get cheaper or can get something better at the same price, I’ll move on and won’t pay. So unless Wenger has a target in his mind that he knows he can get for his desired price, I really don’t know what he’s playing at. It makes no sense. He has said we need a striker. As for not rating a player because of who else made a bid…who else bid for Giroud? Who else bid for Xhaka?

The pricetag does dictate, however the point is he is more likely to spend more on a player he rates

You're completely correct that if Lacazette had a 20million buy out clause he'd have tried to activate it, simply because it presents far less of a risk for a player he doesn't rate that highly. There was no prevarication over the fee for Sanchez because Wenger decided right away he'd fit into our style of play and rated the player.

Whether he is right or wrong, Wenger does not see Lacazette as an upgrade on Giroud

[selassie]

The pricetag does dictate, however the point is he is more likely to spend more on a player he rates

You're completely correct that if Lacazette had a 20million buy out clause he'd have tried to activate it, simply because it presents far less of a risk for a player he doesn't rate that highly. There was no prevarication over the fee for Sanchez because Wenger decided right away he'd fit into our style of play and rated the player.

Whether he is right or wrong, Wenger does not see Lacazette as an upgrade on Giroud

The problem with this approach is that we are essentially searching for players in a market that doesn't really exist.

Everybody wants value for money and I totally accept that but Wenger essentially wants world class players at budget prices. Wenger probably rates the likes of Pogba, Griezmann, Dybala etc really highly but he wouldn't pay the market price for them even if they begged him to sign them.

This is where I think his philosophy and his approach in the market is all wrong and pretty much leads to summers of frustration and a lack of progress in resolving problem areas in the squad.

[Power n Glory]

The pricetag does dictate, however the point is he is more likely to spend more on a player he rates

You're completely correct that if Lacazette had a 20million buy out clause he'd have tried to activate it, simply because it presents far less of a risk for a player he doesn't rate that highly. There was no prevarication over the fee for Sanchez because Wenger decided right away he'd fit into our style of play and rated the player.

Whether he is right or wrong, Wenger does not see Lacazette as an upgrade on Giroud

So Vardy is an upgrade on Giroud at £20m but he's not an upgrade on Giroud if he'd cost £40m?

[Özim]

The pricetag does dictate, however the point is he is more likely to spend more on a player he rates

You're completely correct that if Lacazette had a 20million buy out clause he'd have tried to activate it, simply because it presents far less of a risk for a player he doesn't rate that highly. There was no prevarication over the fee for Sanchez because Wenger decided right away he'd fit into our style of play and rated the player.

Whether he is right or wrong, Wenger does not see Lacazette as an upgrade on Giroud

It's not his job to worry about the fee, it's his job to improve the team, at the end of the day with his method of rating signings, we'll rarely end up with anyone, because as someone alluded he's working in a market that doesn't exist, star players cost big money these days, if you don't want to pay that then you go for young players like Janssen, yet Wenger didn't want him either.

His measure of whether a player is good or not is way off the mark anyway, you only need to look at some of the players he deems better than anyone else around to know that.

[Letters]

It's not his job to worry about the fee, it's his job to improve the team.

LETTERS IN 'AGREEING WITH ZIM' SHOCK EXCLUSIVE.
Isn't this where we're missing David Dein? Didn't he used to deal with all this sort of thing once Wenger had identified a target?

[Marc Overmars]

Yeah that's the trouble with how we operate, Wenger treats the clubs money like it's his personal wealth. All he needs to be doing is identifying the players he wants and telling someone to go get them. Unfortunately we're saddled with a board who don't give a fuck and are happy to delegate everything to Wenger as long as the money keeps rolling in.