Should Wenger be sacked now?

[Niall_Quinn]

it's a separate issue because it's the defensive frailty and the tactical naivety that's too blame, not the youth policy

OR the defensive frailty and tactical naivety are simply secondary to what the board and Wenger really view as important, running the business side of the club. WHY won't they bring in anyone to help? Probably because anyone already here is part of the program whereas people like Bergkamp, Keown, Bould would place achievement on the pitch above all else. from a football perspective we certainly need people like this to come in and help. From the board's and Wenger's perspective, maybe they don't need that sort of interference. As for the tactical naivety, with players like Walcott on the pitch how do you know the manager's tactics are even being applied? You watch these players being so stupid sometimes it takes the breath away. i think Wenger should go but I think he should take the garbage that has piled up with, that includes the board and 75% of the players. With Wenger gone we still have this board, still have their dogshit agenda, still have a team filled with crap. So then what/ Expect somebody like Moyes to turn us into champions by will alone? That's a bit unrealistic. He's cash starved at Everton, what does he win? Why would any manager be different?

[Power n Glory]

OR the defensive frailty and tactical naivety are simply secondary to what the board and Wenger really view as important, running the business side of the club. WHY won't they bring in anyone to help? Probably because anyone already here is part of the program whereas people like Bergkamp, Keown, Bould would place achievement on the pitch above all else. from a football perspective we certainly need people like this to come in and help. From the board's and Wenger's perspective, maybe they don't need that sort of interference. As for the tactical naivety, with players like Walcott on the pitch how do you know the manager's tactics are even being applied? You watch these players being so stupid sometimes it takes the breath away. i think Wenger should go but I think he should take the garbage that has piled up with, that includes the board and 75% of the players. With Wenger gone we still have this board, still have their dogshit agenda, still have a team filled with crap. So then what/ Expect somebody like Moyes to turn us into champions by will alone? That's a bit unrealistic. He's cash starved at Everton, what does he win? Why would any manager be different?

Did you see Wenger's reaction to being asked about a defensive coach? He took it as an insult. How are you going to blame the board for that? Wenger has ultimate control over his coaching staff. He didn't have to keep Pat Rice on and he had know problem brining in one of his former players as a scout. Is it Grimandi or Remi Garde?

After a match day loss where we're hampered by the same sort of mistakes that doesn't plague teams like Stoke or Tottenham who have less money than us, I don't see how the Board are always the first ones to get the blame. Newcastle have had problems behind the scenes but hasn't stopped Pardrew organising his team so they're in a good position from the first few weeks of the league. We still haven't recovered from that 4-4 draw and Carling Cup final. That's down to man management.

[Power n Glory]

Final point...without Wenger, the Board wouldn't be able to build on the cheap because we started this project because we had Arsene Wenger as the manager, it's not the other way round.

If Wenger goes, they'll have tweak their plans.

[Niall_Quinn]

Final point...without Wenger, the Board wouldn't be able to build on the cheap because we started this project because we had Arsene Wenger as the manager, it's not the other way round.

If Wenger goes, they'll have tweak their plans.

This is like saying Hitler could be hampered by assassinating his generals. True enough, but why not just kill Hitler?

[Power n Glory]

No, because Wenger is the man with the vision and the Board have backed him with his plans. Why didn't we move for a bigger stadium before under Graham? Why haven't we always been a team that has a strong youth set up? How comes we built the new training ground when Wenger arrives and not before?

Wenger is the talent and the Board have backed him because they thought we could achieve great things under Wenger. If Wenger had never joined us and we ended up with someone like Redknapp, Keegan or whoever, we wouldn't be here and the club would have taken a totally different direction. Credit to Wenger for getting us this far but there is no gas left in the tank and the Board don't seem to realise that their golden goose is out of eggs.

[Cripps_orig]

Yes

[Niall_Quinn]

No, because Wenger is the man with the vision and the Board have backed him with his plans. Why didn't we move for a bigger stadium before under Graham? Why haven't we always been a team that has a strong youth set up? How comes we built the new training ground when Wenger arrives and not before?

Okay, I'll give that a go.

1. Why didn't we move for a bigger stadium before under Graham?
A. Wenger took us on a level and the board could then see the merits of getting more seats installed so more fans could be milked.

2. Why haven't we always been a team that has a strong youth set up?
A. Wenger's ability to spot talent opened up a lucrative opportunity to get players cheap and flog them at huge profits which could then be banked by the board and in turn used to drive up the value of their shareholdings which they then flogged, again at a massive profit (100% in some cases)

3. How comes we built the new training ground when Wenger arrives and not before?
A See answer #2, the training ground goes in the cost of sales column.

[Power n Glory]

Okay, I'll give that a go.

1. Why didn't we move for a bigger stadium before under Graham?
A. Wenger took us on a level and the board could then see the merits of getting more seats installed so more fans could be milked.

2. Why haven't we always been a team that has a strong youth set up?
A. Wenger's ability to spot talent opened up a lucrative opportunity to get players cheap and flog them at huge profits which could then be banked by the board and in turn used to drive up the value of their shareholdings which they then flogged, again at a massive profit (100% in some cases)

3. How comes we built the new training ground when Wenger arrives and not before?
A See answer #2, the training ground goes in the cost of sales column.

Which Board wouldn't do this if they had Arsene Wenger as a manager? Wouldn't they be accused of being shortsighted if they passed up the opportunity to sign him but Spurs signed him instead and got the big stadium, profits and medals? That would have gone down well. They listened to his ideas and ran with it. Anyone with sense would do that. But if they had someone else, the strategy would be very different.

They have to run a club that makes money, what else do you expect?

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not saying the board is directly responsible for Wenger's decision making, but I do say they are indirectly and ultimately responsible (or at least they share in the responsibility) for the reasons given in my last response. When football is not the primary objective at a football club then that is going to filter through to every nook and corner.