Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Özim]

I agree to an extent but Giroud's goal droughts and drop in confidence every year suggests something deeper. I think we could get more out of him with a better system but just looking at his performances for France kind of backs up the criticism.

That horrible attempt for France when he was clean through and only had to lift his head and pass it right summed him up, no vision and when the pressure is on folds like most of our team.

You just can't rely on players like Giroud, every season he has a goal drought, then he scores a few and has another drought, most of his goals are concentrated over a few games, you get no consistency from him at all.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This is all over the place and slightly muddled. There are two conflicting ides going on in that post.

So the club have allowed Wenger to work a certain way because that’s how he likes it. He’s taken on more than what Fergie took on, but that’s the difference between Fergie and Wenger. Fergie had the sense to delegate. He worked with freedom like Wenger does at Arsenal, but he delegates. So let’s assume our Board believes it’s important for a manger to work with freedom and it’s their job to support him with resources. Why would they impose something on a new manager that goes against that principle? They only allowed Wenger to work how he liked. They didn’t impose anything on him so I can’t see them pushing something on a new manager if that’s not what he wants. Especially if new manager is someone like Pep that comes with experience at the top.

It's not confused at all, they are not supporting Wenger they are leaving it all up to him....the one and two are not the same things

I used the example of GB Medallists and their coaches earlier, how supportive would a coach be if they said "well the amount of training you do for an event is totally your choice"....that's not giving support, that's saying "do what you like i don't care".

If a manager wants to extend the contract of a player, the board supports the manager by having a contract negotiation team

If a manager wants to sign new players, the board supports the manager by having a transfer team ready to negotiate a price with the club and personal terms with the player and his agent.

It's not being supportive if Wenger chooses to handle it himself to let him handle it, it's saying "phew thankfully we don't have to do anything"

And if you don't think a manager should have certain expectations that he needs to meet in order to keep his job, why on earth would the manager do anything but the bare minimum. This is not an environment conducive to success, Wenger may well have taken the responsibilities upon himself but the club has shown either weakness or disinterest not to intercede and say "sorry this is not part of your remit".

[Özim]

And if you don't think a manager should have certain expectations that he needs to meet in order to keep his job, why on earth would the manager do anything but the bare minimum.

Pride, a sense of achievement, wanting to be remembered as a top manager who achieved this, that and the other. Sure some people would sit on their bascksides and do nothing, you always have losers like this in life, but others would have the pride to do their best and try and succeed, particularly in football where the incentive is partially personal achievement.

[Power n Glory]

It's not confused at all, they are not supporting Wenger they are leaving it all up to him....the one and two are not the same things

I used the example of GB Medallists and their coaches earlier, how supportive would a coach be if they said "well the amount of training you do for an event is totally your choice"....that's not giving support, that's saying "do what you like i don't care".

If a manager wants to extend the contract of a player, the board supports the manager by having a contract negotiation team

If a manager wants to sign new players, the board supports the manager by having a transfer team ready to negotiate a price with the club and personal terms with the player and his agent.

It's not being supportive if Wenger chooses to handle it himself to let him handle it, it's saying "phew thankfully we don't have to do anything"

And if you don't think a manager should have certain expectations that he needs to meet in order to keep his job, why on earth would the manager do anything but the bare minimum. This is not an environment conducive to success, Wenger may well have taken the responsibilities upon himself but the club has shown either weakness or disinterest not to intercede and say "sorry this is not part of your remit".

Wait....do you think there is no team behind this and Wenger does all this by himself?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wait....do you think there is no team behind this and Wenger does all this by himself?

He gets involved personally in both, and my contention is that he shouldn't

As for the transfer team it's Wenger and Dick Law acting as his proxy as the club lawyer

[Power n Glory]

Does anyone else here think we have a one man band physically doing everything?

[Power n Glory]

He gets involved personally in both, and my contention is that he shouldn't

As for the transfer team it's Wenger and Dick Law acting as his proxy as the club lawyer

Having the final say doesn't mean he's doing it on his own or just with Dick Law.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Pride, a sense of achievement, wanting to be remembered as a top manager who achieved this, that and the other. Sure some people would sit on their bascksides and do nothing, you always have losers like this in life, but others would have the pride to do their best and try and succeed, particularly in football where the incentive is partially personal achievement.

I think human nature dictates that motivation to be the best only comes so far from within, it requires encouragement and sometimes a push from others

Wenger had that from Dein and Fiszman....now he only has himself a man at the end of his career, how many men of retirement age are open to new ideas and new ways of doing things....he is in fact relying on his own instincts and no-one to suggest to him that there is any other way of doing things.
Is he being selfish by not realising this and stepping down? Probably but again that just makes him a human being we all can be hubristic and stubborn especially when there is no-one to keep us grounded.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Does anyone else here think we have a one man band physically doing everything?

It's one man making all the decisions and calling all the shots on every minutiae of detail, which is micro managing.

The point i am making is that if Wenger wants a player, why is it up to him what the value of that player is?....or if he wants a player to sign a contract extension why is it up to him the terms of that contract?. Both are the very essence of micro managing....the club's finances are not and should not be his concern.

[Power n Glory]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/com..._exloanee_kim/

It worth a read. Arseblog mentioned this some weeks back.

"It was transfer day and a rumour of a new player had leaked. The training facilities were filled with supporters, journalists and tv was transmitting live. When we arrived at Heathrow, we had to drive to a field and switch cars so that no one would recognise the vehicle. Everyone was nice to me, and I get training clothes and number 29. I was sent to a team physician for the obligatory medical exam. While the physician is going through the tests, I'm sitting in the cafeteria, drinking a cup of washy English coffee. I'm dressed in the club colours, in the civilian outfit of the professional football player, meaning a t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops. Players pass by on the way to today's training. I knew a few of them, as they were French, and we small-talk a bit. The physician fetches me, and I'm driven quickly to a hospital for a X-ray exam. Something's wrong. We return to the training facilities. I'm put in a situation that reminds me of a talent show on tv. I'm standing in front of a jury, in Arsenal clothes, the cd with my X-ray images, and bad posture. In front of me sits the team physician, the sporting director, and the powerful manager Arsene Wenger, who has run the club with an iron fist and a low-key attitude for almost 20 years. The physician starts speaking. He understands that Arsenal is a big thing for me and that my hopes have been lit, but the back problem is too bad, and he's sorry. He lays down the facts. There are three cases of vertebral fractures, and I'm out for atleast 4-6 weeks. I'm shocked - disappointed, but I understood. Against the evidence of the X-ray images, neither boyhood dreams or arguments help. I understand. 'If you're injured, you're injured', I say, but in truth I was angry as hell. There's silence in the room. Wenger hasn't said anything. He hasn't even looked at his colleagues as they inform me of their logical verdicts. He thinks for himself. I wait for him to say something. He sighs, and says 'The transfer windows shuts in a few hours. It's impossible to find a replacement. Either I take you or no one.' Surprised, the others turn to the big boss. No one knows how he'll continue, but they know that his words are law. It's evident that he has not anchored his decision among the rest of the staff. Wenger decides. "You'll stay, heal, and train. I'll take you when you're fit."