Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

True. I’ve already heard PHW being revered after he’s gone even though he was a piece of shit.

It's all relative, Hill Wood was an old fart and a relic....a chairman for the days when we were a relatively small club in terms of revenue. Dein was the man he deferred to because he understood the game better than him. The difference is unlike Kroenke, Hill Wood cared about the club it had been part of his family for generations.
I don't know how true this is but my understanding is that Dein was resistant to us moving to a new stadium, I think he felt the money would be better spent on signings. Short termist approach perhaps, but he probably knew that the clubs inate conservative tendencies would prevent it doing what was necessary to make us a dynasty.

[Özim]

Over time people tend to look back with rose tinted glasses and remember the good times.
What do people remember about Clough? It's not that he took Forest down.
People will remember what he did for us, and they should. But he won't go down as one of the all time greats as he could have done.

I would think they will think of him as a fairly slightly above average manager looking at his management record alone.

[Kano]

Over time people tend to look back with rose tinted glasses and remember the good times.
What do people remember about Clough? It's not that he took Forest down.
People will remember what he did for us, and they should. But he won't go down as one of the all time greats as he could have done.

I think that's generally true but the caveat is how long this period carries on for. Clough left immediately after they were relegated and in the years previous to that was still getting to FA and League Cup finals - which we know were a much bigger deal back then. No one can ever take away the glory of the first ten years of Wengers time here and people are sadly bitter if they try to distort what happened with the squad and players at his disposal then. But if he was to carry on for another few years there would be a danger that people would look back and say "Wenger was great, won this, won that, until...". Ideally he needs to knock it on the head after this season to ensure he doesn't begin to damage how people look back on him.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I would think they will think of him as a fairly slightly above average manager looking at his management record alone.

Prepare yourself for a world of disappointment.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Historically a manager is judged by his greatest achievements rather than the totality of his career, for Managers like Ferguson he comes up well whichever way you look at it. Clough on the other hand will always be remembered as the quotable, abrasive, arrogant but charismatic character who achieved something unprecedented with Notts Forest and rightly so.

[Goonermerree]

Arsene Wenger warned that Shkodran Mustafi will cost €50m - Guillem Ballague

He wouldn't have cost that much if he'd been looking to strengthen earlier n the transfer window. In my opinion we need to buy a new CB for this season anyway. Per is slowing, Kos can make howlers and we finished Chambers of before he got started. (I really don't know why Chambers hasn't been sent out on loan to learn his craft in a less pressured situation.) I haven't seen enough of Holding to know how good he is. (I do know that he didn't cost 55 mil so he can't be that good )

So we're down to 9 days to go before the transfer window closes, so of course anyone we're in for now is going to cost more than they should have. Unless a club desperately needs the money they hang out for more.

[Letters]

I think that's generally true but the caveat is how long this period carries on for. Clough left immediately after they were relegated and in the years previous to that was still getting to FA and League Cup finals - which we know were a much bigger deal back then. No one can ever take away the glory of the first ten years of Wengers time here and people are sadly bitter if they try to distort what happened with the squad and players at his disposal then. But if he was to carry on for another few years there would be a danger that people would look back and say "Wenger was great, won this, won that, until...". Ideally he needs to knock it on the head after this season to ensure he doesn't begin to damage how people look back on him.

The longer it goes on the more damaging it will be but the last 3 years have been:

Won the FA Cup and finished 4th
Retained the FA Cup and finished 3rd.
Finished 2nd.

He's not exactly 'done a Moyes'. The issue is he's not making the most of our considerable resources. The fact I feel we should be competing for the title is down to Wenger, but the fact we're not is too and it's increasingly apparent he's not the man to push us on. In time though his legacy will be appreciated.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

He's going to cost closer to that because Valencia know we're desperate and we have money. Had we moved earlier right when Per got injured it would have been £25 max.

Wenger's dithering once again costing us.

[Power n Glory]

It's all relative, Hill Wood was an old fart and a relic....a chairman for the days when we were a relatively small club in terms of revenue. Dein was the man he deferred to because he understood the game better than him. The difference is unlike Kroenke, Hill Wood cared about the club it had been part of his family for generations.
I don't know how true this is but my understanding is that Dein was resistant to us moving to a new stadium, I think he felt the money would be better spent on signings. Short termist approach perhaps, but he probably knew that the clubs inate conservative tendencies would prevent it doing what was necessary to make us a dynasty.

'Thoroughly ignorant people seem to have a say nowadays.

'It is a few hotheads jumping up and down thinking they are being clever.

'It is the most ridiculous way to behave really because normal people are forever saying boards act too hastily when they get rid of a manager.'

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Hill Wood is part of reason why we're in this shit. He booted Dein from the Board, advised the Board to sell their remaining shares to Kroenke once Jabba came on the scene and then Lady Nine and Richard Carr left because of PHW.

He cares for his investment and own survival.

[Letters]

Prepare yourself for a world of disappointment.

I think that's the world he lives in.



Bit like MrsL