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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Again your opinion, i don't think a simply "good" player has the vision and ability to find a player with a pass the way Ozil does.....by far the most technically gifted and intelligent reader of the game that we have at the club.

    It's one of the only things in a footballing sense i agree with Jose Mourinho about.
    I believe Jose was pulling a robe a dope and overstating Ozil’s importance just to further push the point about Wenger’s incompetency. The way Mourinho plays, someone like Ozil is perfect. Counter attacks and quick transitions. For us, we need someone more relentless in that role.

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    I said last night that although he mainly had a stinker, he picked out Iwobi with a great cut back which of course led to Alexis scoring. I don't think we have another player who would have found that pass, most of the time it would have been a hopeful cross into the box.

    No doubting Ozil is a bit of an enigma but I'd say we definitely need him. Only way I'd contemplate moving him on is if I was confident we'd land a worldie or 2. Which isn't going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    I said last night that although he mainly had a stinker, he picked out Iwobi with a great cut back which of course led to Alexis scoring. I don't think we have another player who would have found that pass, most of the time it would have been a hopeful cross into the box.

    No doubting Ozil is a bit of an enigma but I'd say we definitely need him. Only way I'd contemplate moving him on is if I was confident we'd land a worldie or 2. Which isn't going to happen.
    It's a good accurate ball to feet pass. But those are the sort of chances I mean. It still depends heavily on someone controlling the ball and getting the shot off with markers around. It's not the sort of pass that takes the defenders out of the equation and the goal at our mercy. That one moment can't justify his selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    It's a good accurate ball to feet pass. But those are the sort of chances I mean. It still depends heavily on someone controlling the ball and getting the shot off with markers around. It's not the sort of pass that takes the defenders out of the equation and the goal at our mercy. That one moment can't justify his selection.
    It's the vision he provides though. He'll attempt passes that may well take a defence out of the game, which is what happened with that cut back last night.

    I'm not one to crow about assists because as you say a lot still depends on the player scoring. Might be an easy pass but a difficult finish, hard pass and an easy finish etc.

    The chances created stat is why I think Ozil is key, not the assists alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    It's the vision he provides though. He'll attempt passes that may well take a defence out of the game, which is what happened with that cut back last night.

    I'm not one to crow about assists because as you say a lot still depends on the player scoring. Might be an easy pass but a difficult finish, hard pass and an easy finish etc.

    The chances created stat is why I think Ozil is key, not the assists alone.
    The chances he creates are often crosses and cut back. He created 4 chances against Southampton but nothing defining and that's the problem with that stat.

    For me, if playing Sanchez or Perez alongside Giroud enables us to break down teams and score more goals, Ozil has to make way. I think we're left with no where else to go if playing a quicker striker up front leads to nowhere. I think we'll end up going back to Giroud if stays like this which is a road to nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I believe Jose was pulling a robe a dope and overstating Ozil’s importance just to further push the point about Wenger’s incompetency. The way Mourinho plays, someone like Ozil is perfect. Counter attacks and quick transitions. For us, we need someone more relentless in that role.
    Whilst that kind of thing is totally what Mourinho does, the remarks he made were in response to the criticism Ozil received from english commentary team when playing for Germany in the world cup....saying they were expecting him to play a role that wasn't his.

    Although i have long argued that Arsenal should revert to a more counter attacking style of play, i think Ozil's ability to pick out a pass that can completley cut out a defence, a vision to find players that few others can....i think that works whatever style is played.

    The difference is in this current system he becomes over relied on, and when he doesn't perform well it has a detrimental effect on the whole attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Whilst that kind of thing is totally what Mourinho does, the remarks he made were in response to the criticism Ozil received from english commentary team when playing for Germany in the world cup....saying they were expecting him to play a role that wasn't his.

    Although i have long argued that Arsenal should revert to a more counter attacking style of play, i think Ozil's ability to pick out a pass that can completley cut out a defence, a vision to find players that few others can....i think that works whatever style is played.

    The difference is in this current system he becomes over relied on, and when he doesn't perform well it has a detrimental effect on the whole attack.
    Isn't that why we have Xhaka? The pass to cut out 3 or 4 defenders sounds like something a CM should do. I think there is a difference between that and creating a clear cut goal scoring opportunity.

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    No Xhaka is there to actually make it possible to instigate an attack if we win the ball back in our own half, Xhaka does not get that far forward generally.

    What i will say about Xhaka is having him in the side will most likely also bring out the best in Ozil

    A central midfield trio of Xhaka, Elneny and Ozil.....i think that would work a treat.

    That's not to impugn a player like Cazorla, i think there are definite games where he is needed for us but at 31 i think last night showed that it's not a good idea to play him twice in one week.

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    https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/29/jose-...mates-7772508/

    Was going to post in general football nonsense that schadenfreude is present and correct when we consider that Alexis has scored just 2 league goals for Mourinho at Manure, but thought that this headline is interesting when you consider what has been said about Oxil. Do we agree with Mourinho, and are his comments about Alexis evidence that Arsenal players are better than Manure's - given the shed full of goals Alexis scored for us?
    Putting the laughter back into manslaughter

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/29/jose-...mates-7772508/

    Was going to post in general football nonsense that schadenfreude is present and correct when we consider that Alexis has scored just 2 league goals for Mourinho at Manure, but thought that this headline is interesting when you consider what has been said about Oxil. Do we agree with Mourinho, and are his comments about Alexis evidence that Arsenal players are better than Manure's - given the shed full of goals Alexis scored for us?
    Completely Maureen’s fault. Alexis needs to be the focal point of the attack, not out on the left playing second fiddle to Lukaku. Even when Giroud was in the centre everything was channelled into Alexis. He was the boss. He knew it, Giroud knew and so did everyone else in the team. Either drop Lukaku, or let Alexis be the main man in the frontline, even out wide. Unless that happens he’ll continue to be ineffective.

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