Disappointing. You're going to get days like this though.
It remains to be seen whether it's "same old Arsenal" or they made of sterner stuff now.
City are no pushovers and then we have 2 very winnable games. Chelsea don't look like slipping up so we can't afford to lose ground.
I think a measure of this team will be how we react against City. Another defeat and it will feel like business as usual though.
Yep, go and prove the doubters wrong. I think we are flattering to decieve but I would love to eat my words. Same old flakey Arsenal from what I see.Originally Posted by Gooner23
City will say a lot about where things are going head potentially. But the other question is when could a defeat of been accepted? If we'd of not lost yesterday and had done at City, familiar accusations would be thrown around. If we had not lost yesterday or at City, which would mean 16 undefeated, but then lose against West Brom, Palace or Bournemouth, would that have been acceptable? At some point we were going to lose again, because everyone does eventually and no team in this league is good enough to do so only once in a league season. One defeat in 15 games doesn't tell us about this team. The next 1-3 games will do that I think.
The problem isn't that we lost, it's that we seem to always lose to the same kind of teams managed by people who find Wenger's Arsenal easy to play against
Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis, Jose Mourinho, Ronald Koeman, Mauricio Pochettino they all have our number.
If we win at any of the Hawthorns, the Britannia and White Hart Lane this season i'd be massively surprised
If we beat Everton or United when we play them at home, i'd be doubly surprised.
Going by the vast majority of the comments I've seen knocking about, losing seems to be the problem full stop.
Well I can only speak for myself
Of course losing is a problem there is no sense in supporting a team if you aren't cross when it loses, but of course also it's unavoidable
But this is why I'm cross at this defeat
I do wonder sometimes if your memory gets wiped at the end of each season
Unequivocally this was same old Arsenal, once again diabolical defending and no proper marking and when teams just run at us we stand off. Reverting to tippy tappy sideways passing when the heat is on, lacking the mental strength to take our chances when they come.
Even my brother said oh well it was the referee's fault, he didn't take charge of the game. Have we not had years of experience that when we come up against teams that "rough us up" the match official is just going to ignore it. Every time are we going to just shrug our shoulders and say "what can you do?". That's your sterner stuff right there.
I repeat from last night, Wenger has squared off against Ronald Koeman Ten times before, Wenger has won once and Koeman five times.
Is that something you can just ignore, or do you think.......guys like this know how to play against us.
No, it doesn't. But if you're so certain that things will turn out the same then stop watching. Why bother if you know the outcome? It's only going to end in disappointment so just go and do something more fulfilling.
Of course there are repeated failings, there are patterns but why is it so sneered at on here to live in hope, to think that there's a chance that new players coming in could change things?
In any season you get results like this. Any season. It's our first (league) loss since the opening day so I'm not going to wet my pants, the question now is how will we react? Will we react?
I fear the worst but hope for the best otherwise, to return to my original point, why bother following it at all?
Again with your rather petulent response you've missed the point, there is not a single person who doesn't hope for the best. I didn't go into last night's game thinking "well it's going to be the same as always", I went into it thinking "no if's ands or buts we have to win". But there is just no sense in denying the reality when it's staring you in the face....this is the type of game we will probably lose (or fail to win) as long as Wenger is manager.
When's the last time we beat Mark Hughes managed side away from home? - January 2007!
When's the last time we beat Tony Pulis managed side away from home? - February 2010 (and they spent the last half hour down to ten men!)
When's the last time we beat a Ronald Koeman managed side away from home? - we never have!
I support this team therefore there is no choice but to hope for the best, but i'm not going to pretend there is no coincidence when the same things happen again and again.
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