Match reaction: Everton 2-1 Arsenal

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Depends how you want to interpret 'got his number' really. There are a stack of draws in these games which doesn't tell me that these managers have a clear advantage. And if they did, they would be able to replicate it quite regularly at our place too, which they haven't. So I don't see what you do.

So it's not a problem for you that under these managers we can't beat these sides that are mid table sides away from home. When you play at home, you can dictate the tempo of the game more because you have the crowd on your side and the team are playing on familiar territory so it makes a difference for these managers.
Because we have managed to get away with draws on occasion doesn't change that and Koeman has beaten Wenger when playing in home fixtures three times in a row with an aggregate of 8 goals for and 1 against....is that really close?.

[Kano]

So it's not a problem for you that under these managers we can't beat these sides that are mid table sides away from home. When you play at home, you can dictate the tempo of the game more because you have the crowd on your side and the team are playing on familiar territory so it makes a difference for these managers.
Because we have managed to get away with draws on occasion doesn't change that and Koeman has beaten Wenger when playing in home fixtures three times in a row with an aggregate of 8 goals for and 1 against....is that really close?.

No because we beat nearly all of the fodder lower down the table. Having someone's number, to me, means being able to beat them 9 times out of ten. Maureen I can't dispute because he does have Wenger's number. But given we nearly always turn over those other pubbers at home, the definition doesn't stick. We can all stack up statistics to build an argument but only thankfully we don't play aggregate games in the Prem, so like most, that one is meaningless.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No because we beat nearly all of the fodder lower down the table. Having someone's number, to me, means being able to beat them 9 times out of ten. Maureen I can't dispute because he does have Wenger's number. But given we nearly always turn over those other pubbers at home, the definition doesn't stick. We can all stack up statistics to build an argument but only thankfully we don't play aggregate games in the Prem, so like most, that one is meaningless.

So basically you're quibbling over terms

In Koemans case he definitely does have Wengers number, again just to repeat head to head they have played each other Ten times and Koeman has won five and Wenger once......Ajax, PSV, Southampton and Everton these aren't teams that are on the same level as Arsenal let alone superior to. Mourinho at Chelsea at the very least they have either been equivalent to or better than us.

Regardless of what label you want to put on it, there is a clear problem when it comes to Beating teams managed by the managers I've mentioned away from home and it's happened too often to be a coincidence. I would agree with you, but look at Stoke (managed by Pulis and then Hughes)....Arsenal have played at the Britannia stadium nine times in all competitions since Stoke got promoted we have lost five times, drawn there three times and won only once. Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, United and City have all come unstuck there in the past but they have all shown that they can win there just as often as they lose.....the same cannot be said of Arsenal.

[Maestro]

The manner of the defeat was laughable but very familiar