Are the glory days over for good?

[Japan Shaking All Over]

you fucking rock dude

The board wont sack Wenger as long as we are making money simple as that, the reason being is that they are money men not football men. And the more that get replaced by these Kroenke flunkees the worse it will get.

Balance sheet>team sheet

Agree with that and what Icing said but. . .

My feeling is that the board with Wengers help could be shooting itself in the foot by going for the quick steal.

As I have mentioned, the mefia in Japan is starting to lose intetest in Arsenal, we dont occupy any prime pages as we did a couple of years ago, it may seem a small thing but it is part of the snowball tottering at thee edge of the mountain.
Lack of interest over here will hurt, especially when we have no marketable player in the mold of Cesc.

A failure to qualify for the CL speaks for itself in turns of our balance sheet.

Losing games to 8:2 to UTD
Going on losing streaks, or at least not winning games regularly
having no iconic status players. . . .will hurt us at home as well as abroad.

New generations of supporters will be slow, or low in number coming through the turnstiles. . .low shirts sales etc. . . .the new generation of fans will be the onfortunate spawn of GW

All this seems to be missed by the board/Wenger. . . .Gazidis does say we will be able to compete but we all know that is BS

I forsee without change, it will hit them hard and whete it hurts the most their pocket but by then we could be in an even worse position

Sounds like an episode from Dallas, just waiting for Bobby to step out the shower and it to be just a bad dream

[fakeyank]

FY, I don't know what kind of organisation you work for, buy the buck stops with the Board. Everywhere. If they have an incompetent Manager and they do nothing about it, the blame lies with them.

The buck stops where ultimate accountability lies. There isn't a Club or organisation in the world where ultimate accountability lies at the position Wenger occupies in the Club hierarchy.

How you repeatedly fail to understand this most elementary concept is baffling.

I work for State farm.

In this place or any other client I have worked with, there are different departments. For example, if the IT department fails, the CEO of the company does not get fired, it is the manager of the IT dept!

Take Arsenal FC, the board is responsible for keeping the club in the green and they are doing a darn good job about it. They are also there to provide support to AW in every way and there has been no credible evidence of that being otherwise.. however AW is responsible for the football department and we are lacking in that. Who gets fired? Yup, Arsene it is..

Tell me in which football team the buck stops with the board? Unless the board is raping the club (like Newcastle or Man U), we should leave the board to do their job.

That leads me to seriously question what sort of work culture you have in UK! For every failure, you point the finger at the Board/CEO.. nice! Managers and workers are not liable for anything... UK has got to be the dream country for middle class slackers!

[Power n Glory]

I work for State farm.

In this place or any other client I have worked with, there are different departments. For example, if the IT department fails, the CEO of the company does not get fired, it is the manager of the IT dept!

Take Arsenal FC, the board is responsible for keeping the club in the green and they are doing a darn good job about it. They are also there to provide support to AW in every way and there has been no credible evidence of that being otherwise.. however AW is responsible for the football department and we are lacking in that. Who gets fired? Yup, Arsene it is..

Tell me in which football team the buck stops with the board? Unless the board is raping the club (like Newcastle or Man U), we should leave the board to do their job.

That leads me to seriously question what sort of work culture you have in UK! For every failure, you point the finger at the Board/CEO.. nice! Managers and workers are not liable for anything... UK has got to be the dream country for middle class slackers!

It's the same in the UK.

It’s funny because you’ve got people saying we’re punching above our weight and we’re having to deal with limited resources, 4th is good for us, etc….if that’s how they see it, then why talk of the Board being at fault for not firing Wenger?

For the first time in a long time, it looks like we’ll finish outside of the top four and if that happens, they’d be justified in firing him. But I’ve heard a lot of talk that sort of backs up why the Board haven’t fired or warned him, yet these same guys are critical of the Board, more so than Wenger.

[Letters]

No-one's said we're punching above our weight have they? They've said we can't compete with the sides who finished above us, we should be able to compete with anyone below us (I mean who finished below us last year) and till know we have.
We're historically a big club but then so are Spurs, so are Liverpool, so are Everton, and Newcastle actually if you look at ground size and history. Being a big club doesn't guarantee you a top 4 finish, there are a few other 'big clubs' all of whom have failed to consistently do so yet some people on here act like any idiot could keep us top 4. From the experience of other clubs attempts to do so - some of whom have spent big in the transfer market - that's clearly not so.

[Power n Glory]

No-one's said we're punching above our weight have they? They've said we can't compete with the sides who finished above us, we should be able to compete with anyone below us (I mean who finished below us last year) and till know we have.
We're historically a big club but then so are Spurs, so are Liverpool, so are Everton, and Newcastle actually if you look at ground size and history. Being a big club doesn't guarantee you a top 4 finish, there are a few other 'big clubs' all of whom have failed to consistently do so yet some people on here act like any idiot could keep us top 4. From the experience of other clubs attempts to do so - some of whom have spent big in the transfer market - that's clearly not so.

Don't lie.

You may not have used the exact words but that's what you've been implying. GB said we were punching above our weight. You've talked as if Wenger's pulled off a miracle by keeping us in the top four in the era of billionaire owners.

[Letters]

You may not have used the exact words but that's what you've been implying.

No, it isn't.

And if you're going to call me a liar then that's the end of this debate.

[Power n Glory]

No, it isn't.

And if you're going to call me a liar then that's the end of this debate.

I must be getting my wires crossed.

How many times did you and others mention top 4 as some sort of achievement over the past few pages while also pointing out how much other teams spend, our 'shoestring' budget, losing our invincible players and having to cope with a move to a new stadium? Is that just saying we've achieved inspite of the odds or 'punched above our weight'? Or am I using the wrong phrase here?

[Xhaka Can’t]

I work for State farm.

In this place or any other client I have worked with, there are different departments. For example, if the IT department fails, the CEO of the company does not get fired, it is the manager of the IT dept!

Take Arsenal FC, the board is responsible for keeping the club in the green and they are doing a darn good job about it. They are also there to provide support to AW in every way and there has been no credible evidence of that being otherwise.. however AW is responsible for the football department and we are lacking in that. Who gets fired? Yup, Arsene it is..

Tell me in which football team the buck stops with the board? Unless the board is raping the club (like Newcastle or Man U), we should leave the board to do their job.

That leads me to seriously question what sort of work culture you have in UK! For every failure, you point the finger at the Board/CEO.. nice! Managers and workers are not liable for anything... UK has got to be the dream country for middle class slackers!

Please tell me you are not this stupid.

[Master Splinter]

[Xhaka Can’t]

It's the same in the UK.

It’s funny because you’ve got people saying we’re punching above our weight and we’re having to deal with limited resources, 4th is good for us, etc….if that’s how they see it, then why talk of the Board being at fault for not firing Wenger?

For the first time in a long time, it looks like we’ll finish outside of the top four and if that happens, they’d be justified in firing him. But I’ve heard a lot of talk that sort of backs up why the Board haven’t fired or warned him, yet these same guys are critical of the Board, more so than Wenger.

It is not a good post, and neither is yours.

Ultimate accountability rests with the Board. That they have presided over this mess is down to them. A change of Manager has been required for some time and it is down to them that this has not occurred.

And as for being 4th or better for 15 years, that is punching above our weight, but it put us in position to take steps that were within our resources to deliver at least a couple of titles, yet the steps taken have moved us decisively in the other direction. So much so, we are unlikely to challenge for a title for the forseeable future. Two prime reasons for such a prognosis, is that it is now prohibitively expensive to aquire the resources we need and, more damning - we are now unable to attract the resouces we need because of how we are perceived as a 'selling' Club that lacks footballing ambition.

This didn't just happen - most of us saw this coming for a long long time. Yet the Board not only presided over this strategy, they embraced it.