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Thread: Ozil - Do we need him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Arseblog straight in there with his "calm and considered" opinion. We should obviously get Wenger to sign to hold onto our best players.....so we can still underachieve.

    Leicester proved that it's not all about star players. It comes from the manager first and foremost, and Wenger's chance came and went a long time ago.

    What is it with this bloke? I know he wants us to do well, and I understand his worry about losing out best players. But he needs to stop being a big girls blouse and accept that change tales time, and the whole club needs to start again. If that means struggling for a while, so be it.
    Agreed, it's an awful circle we're stuck in. Wenger is the king of under achievement and even with money and some of the best players we've had in years the results are the same. Where's the title challenge? Are we any better in Europe than we were 5 years ago? I understand that without Wenger's standing in the game we wouldn't have Ozil or Sanchez, but are we any closer to the major prizes? No and if we are, it's marginal at best.

    If Ozil really wants to continue being molly cuddled by Wenger then he's probably not the player for us, if Wenger goes and he follows, so be it. A big waft of underachievement will follow them both out the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Ozil has said that he is willing to sign a new deal but wants clarity on Wenger's future first.
    Interestingly, the article I saw this morning sounded like he wants to make sure Wenger is staying before committing to his future with us which shows that all the stuff about top players not wanting to play for him is nonsense.

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    He only wants him to stay because he's lazy and Wankger gives him an easy ride.
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Interestingly, the article I saw this morning sounded like he wants to make sure Wenger is staying before committing to his future with us which shows that all the stuff about top players not wanting to play for him is nonsense.

    I question whether he's a top player if he's content with this shite.

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    You question whether he's a top player constantly. No-one else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Interestingly, the article I saw this morning sounded like he wants to make sure Wenger is staying before committing to his future with us which shows that all the stuff about top players not wanting to play for him is nonsense.
    I don't think anyone ever said the players don't want to play for him. On the contrary, most of them seem enthralled by his myth. I wonder about Alexis though, a natural winner. An absolute super star in his native country and a guy who has been at one of the top clubs and seen what it is like to compete at the very top level. He may respect Wenger, I would think most of them do. But how long will he respect the end result as the seasons roll on? How long will he feel comfortable being out of genuinely competitive sport?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    You question whether he's a top player constantly. No-one else does.
    I question a lot of things. I don't follow popular opinion just because.

    Any player or coach not pushing for excellence with this club, I have a problem with.

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    The Ozil situation is lose/ lose.

    If he's being truthful then he'll only stay if Wenger stays - Massive loss.
    Wenger says he won't decide if he's staying (we all know he is so why the charade?) until the end of the season - Lose, because that gives our top players an easy out and a nice timespan to search for better deals.

    Even a win is a loss. If Wenger decides to leave then Ozil leaves too and that deprives any proper manager coming in from working with Ozil in a sane system.

    And if Ozil goes then expect to see Alexis follow him out. Alexis could be gone anyway but watching one of the very few world class players walk away is hardly going to encourage Alexis to stay.

    I see a stitch-up in the making. Please, please, please Arsene! Please stay so our best players stay too. Oh please Arsene, we beg you to stay!

    "Maybe I stay little bit just to help the fans, I make this sacrifice for the fans and for Arsenal Football Club! (Wenger smirk)" - Game, set , match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    We’re not challenging for anything now even with Ozil and Sanchez. Our biggest signing has to be a new manager. Even if we lost both players we at least need the funds from the sales so a new manager can buy replacements. Just look at what Klopp and Poch are doing with Liverpool and Spurs. They’ve got way weaker attacking players but are way more efficient that us. A new manager may even prefer the funds so he can build his own team rather keep these guys. But I’m sure if the club sign a top class manager, we won’t lose any of our players.
    Id prefer a new manager and ne wplayers if im honest, espcially if its someone like Simeone, a strong tactician and motivator who knows how to set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFC Leveller View Post
    Id prefer a new manager and ne wplayers if im honest, espcially if its someone like Simeone, a strong tactician and motivator who knows how to set up.
    That's where we'll see the biggest difference. It's the most important signing we'll make.

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