Was this our most wasted summer transfer window yet?

[Power n Glory]

My response to either we have mods or we don't

Is there need for mods

No one here is going to earnestly call for violence to be done to another user, no one will publish personal details of another user, and no one will use this as their alternative to deep web activities.

The sites not growing and unlikely to grow if that's the attitude.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Someone that hasn't posted in a while engages with a new thread and you start wumming straight away because of some personal beef or whatever.

This is an Arsenal message board not a support group, there are no safe spaces here

Or at least there bloody well shouldn't be

I think in all seriousness the mockery is what makes this place worth while, we know that this place isn't thriving and 95% of the reason why is total apathy towards the club and the manager.

You must get bored of having the same discussions week after week, month after month, year after year and whether this place is too restrictive to some or too hostile to others is rather peripheral to that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The sites not growing and unlikely to grow if that's the attitude.

What attitude that this place should be a market place of open and free exchange, admin and mods on every discussion group i've ever belonged to just doesn't work because there is not a single interpretation on where freedom of speech should be limited.

[mastermind84]

Wenger recently corrected that statement about Xhaka being a box to box player.

http://www.squawka.com/news/wenger-x...fielder/836501

I don't see that in his game anyway. He's not mobile enough for that role. We just bought the wrong sort of player. He wasn't the sort of midfielder we needed and now we're scrambling around trying to find the right player combination to compliment him. It's a huge waste of money. Not good enough on the ball to protect it and recycle possession. Too reckless to protect the back four and pretty poor at defending anyway. A decent long pass but we can hardly take advantage of it because we usually play against a packed defence. I have no idea what we were thinking.

Too early to judge Perez. He has quality and needs more games to really judge.

the best teams in Europe have over the last few years registas like Xhaka.

He is exactly the sort of player we need. The problem is we have the wrong manager to use him.

Good article on Xhaka's positioning and him getting Wenger'd

http://first-11.net/2017/01/arsenals...-granit-xhaka/

Arsène Wenger prefers a dynamic midfield which suits Francis Coquelin and has utilised Xhaka to play the 8 role without the ball and the 6 role in possession, which leaves him unable to fulfil his full potential. The 8 is not suitable for a regista of Xhaka’s calibre: it takes him out of his depth, asking him to press extensively and ask him to support offensive phases. Xhaka now initiates the first counter press, and if it is bypassed is caught chasing back, trailing behind the play, a situation which should not occur for a player who should maintain the 6 role throughout.

[Power n Glory]

This is an Arsenal message board not a support group, there are no safe spaces here

Or at least there bloody well shouldn't be

I think in all seriousness the mockery is what makes this place worth while, we know that this place isn't thriving and 95% of the reason why is total apathy towards the club and the manager.

You must get bored of having the same discussions week after week, month after month, year after year and whether this place is too restrictive to some or too hostile to others is rather peripheral to that.

Exactly. An Arsenal message board. What you're talking about has zero to do with football and the same goes for Letters campaign to hound out posters. This thread is something new. To a degree at least. You drawing up very old beefs about Zim's stance on Wenger is what's boring. People have heard it before. It's be done and dusted so I don't see the point in dragging it up every time he appears.

[Letters]

We do have that, but as mentioned before I don't attribute all of that to Wenger alone, he seems to get all the credit when in fact he didn't really risk anything himself to achieve much of this, he's played his part but so have many others who never get any credit and who probably put far more on the line than him, he was and always has been a handsomely paid employee, what did he have to lose?

Yes we're a bigger club with more money, I don't personally believe we're all setup for a new manager however, this club is too much about one man and this will mean when things change we'll go through a transitional period where we'll probably end up lower than we are through no fault of the next manager, coming into a club where someone has been in charge for 20 years is very hard, there's a lot to change including mentality which doesn't happen overnight.

This is where it all gets a bit weird and personal with you and Wenger. You have French blood in you so what, is he your dad but he abandoned your mum when you were a baby and never saw you or something?
You don't attribute Arsenal's successes under Wenger to him alone, but you do seem to think our failings are entirely his fault? You can't have it both ways. The buck stops with the manager. He's part of a team, of course, but the manager is responsible for a club's success or failure, it's always the manager who gets sacked when things go wrong, no-one else. And before you say that Wenger hasn't been sacked for his failures, Wenger has always delivered what the board have required. I don't see what he had to risk has to do with anything. And while I'm talking about the board, although a manger is responsible for our success or lack thereof, it's the board's job to hold the manage accountable of he does fail. Ours don't because to them he is achieving success as they define it, and it suits them that he pretty much runs the show. And that is where I agree Wenger is hard to replace because he's not just a football manager, he's been allowed to take far too much control and you have to blame the board for that, they are his bosses after all.

Overall though I think he'll leave us in a much better place than he found us. I just hope he doesn't "do a Clough" and stay far too long and things start to go seriously downhill.

[Letters]

Someone that hasn't posted in a while engages with a new thread and you start wumming straight away because of some personal beef or whatever.

I had a minor WUM, Zim can take it. He didn't run away, he's a big boy. I have since engaged in the debate.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Exactly. An Arsenal message board. What you're talking about has zero to do with football and the same goes for Letters campaign to hound out posters. This thread is something new. To a degree at least. You drawing up very old beefs about Zim's stance on Wenger is what's boring. People have heard it before. It's be done and dusted so I don't see the point in dragging it up every time he appears.

But still this does come back to my original point that, if there was something new, original or interesting to discuss Arsenal there probably wouldn't be this kind of thing in the first place.

Zim doesn't refrain from coming here because he stand the heat, he refrains from coming here because he's bored of the same old, same old with Arsenal FC. And that's one of the few things i can find some measure of agreement with him on.

[Letters]

Letters campaign to hound out posters.

If I wanted to "hound people out" I'd just ban them. Do grow up.

[LDG]

I had a minor WUM, Zim can take it. He didn't run away, he's a big boy. I have since engaged in the debate.

Major WUM.

Ground control.