Anyone calling for Wenger to be sacked...

[Letters]

Winning trophies is very, very difficult. We should not confuse our desperation to at least try something new with the likelihood that it will be better.

The thing which is most frustrating about Arsenal right now is that watching them play sometimes we're clearly good enough to be winning trophies. A Spurs supporting friend said that in the first half hour at WHL we were the best side he'd seen there this season. But then it went back to 3-2, the heads went down and instead of pushing on and winning it we dropped points from a commanding 3-1 position. It's the combination of knowing we're good enough to win trophies but having no belief that we actually will which is so maddening.

[Kano]

Well, quite, Terry. But we're fans of the club, and this is a message board to debate that club.

If you're gonna say that to everyone, we might as well abandon the site and all fuck off. Then we can just sit in silence (irony there) at the emirates, and just thank our lucky stars that we've just paid £100 + on a day out to watch the same old shite.

debate doesn't = fact which seems to be the case for too many at the games. there's debate then there's hysteria which is what fans are boardering on and this is far from a crisis but when your head is invaded by so much football 'analysis' on tv, internet, radio etc then it just keeps it stirring. £100 for same old shite? winning most games and going home happy more often than not? that's what i mean about hysteria.

[IBK]

Yes it is. You know as well as I do that the likes of Birmingham can win the CC out of a mixture of other sides' apathy and sheer unadulterated good luck. Same goes to an extent for the FA Cup these days.

Look at our major rivals - the Chavs who have hired really top class managers and spant massively on the right players. Manure who have arguably the best manager this country has ever seen, and Citeh who have had to spend 100's of millions to buy the FA Cup.

It is ridiculous to argue that winning cups - at least proper ones - is anything other than very difficult.

[LDG]

debate doesn't = fact which seems to be the case for too many at the games. there's debate then there's hysteria which is what fans are boardering on and this is far from a crisis but when your head is invaded by so much football 'analysis' on tv, internet, radio etc then it just keeps it stirring. £100 for same old shite? winning most games and going home happy more often than not? that's what i mean about hysteria.

No. Most people are being very considered in their opinions tbh. None of this is kneejerk reaction. Some may well be more vorciferous / extreme in their views. But to most it is obvious that the same failings have happened for the last three / four years.

Most have been patient with the club, and supported the policies that have been upheld by Wenger and Co. these last six years.

But there does come a point, that when the glaringly obvious, even to the most unknowledgable football fan, is not corrected, you have to question the managers decisions.

[Kano]

considered? not from where i've been sitting (standing) they haven't been.
no problem questioning but a lot of the nonsense said is ridiculous, utter garbage when questions and debate become fact.

[LDG]

So you're saying it's just bad luck we've capitulated so badly this year??

[Kano]

sure why not, if thats what you've taken from what i said

[budesonide]

Define deliver. Had we slipped out of the top 4 then I suspect he'd have been long gone.
It's nonsense to say he's under no pressure but I think the board are too satisfied by perennial CL football and not bothered enough about trophies.

i meant "pressure" and "deliver" in the sense of performing at one of the top clubs in europe and the world today.

and i seriously doubt wenger would have been sacked any of the previous seasons had we fallen out of the top four. I highly doubt that.

qualifying for the CL means our resources are not unduly that stretched (based on my knowledge of our loan that I have read). So unless we slipped completely into midtable mediocrity i doubt this board have the cajones and vision to sack wenger.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

for all his warts.....Wenger has almost won the right to choose when he walks, no amount of griping is going to se him get booted out the door.

He has become very stuck in his ways and a new side to him, the one that gets irratated andcomes out with a lot of twoddle post match, has become more and more evident, so much so it does make you wish he shut the hell up however

he is arguably the most successful manager we have ever had and will be given another chance under the regime that we have at the club. How much patience they show, especially if things continue along the same lines is something we will have to wait and see.

What I hope is that Wenger regains so of that famed intelligence to anaylsis what has happened to every facet or the club both good and bad.

The fact that we were turned down by Jones gives me the slightest tinge of hope (Mindless Optimist Clique member speaking!) as it shows that we were tryimng for one of the better players that was being touted about. What we need now, is not for AW to sit back and say "Well I tried! but he didn"t want to come, so I will go back to scouring the French second division" - he needs to get on his bike and go after another top target, Samba or the slightly expensive Cahill.......what we need at the back should be PL tested and why not someone who has seen the ugly side of the league, the relegation battle........would be better than someone who has a degree in 'square ball passing'

[AKBapologist]

I think the real question is, would you expect our club to adequately replace Wenger with a manager with an exemplary record of success at other clubs?

Or do you think any mid table mongolid can do better than AW at Arsenal?