Anyone calling for Wenger to be sacked...

[Niall_Quinn]

If you remembered Arsenal before Wenger you'd appreciate him even more (which makes it even more shocking how people disrespect him on here if you ask me, despite the frustrations of the last few years he doesn't deserve that).
But he's not the best manager in the world. Up there though.

Wenger does his own fair share of disrespecting the fans with his bullshit about team spirit and building for the future, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The trouble he's got is fewer and fewer fans believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He asked for time and he got it, he got far more patience than he would have enjoyed at our (alleged) competitors. I doubt even Fergie would have survived the garbage Wenger has served up over the last few years, the calls for him to be put out to pasture would have been deafening. As for Chelsea, City and Pool, we all know the story there and yet for all their turmoil two of those clubs came back and finished above us as we conspired to throw the season away again. What we witnessed (again) this year was a shocking failure and if a manager's position can't be questioned after a performance like that then when is it valid to asks questions? Should he go? Of course he should. That's what happens to managers who fail in this game. Should he be allowed to stay based on past glories? No. That's not how it happens in this game.

For those who forgive his every fuck up because we as fans don't really know what's happening inside the club - WHO CARES? We do know what's happening in the pitch and it's not good enough, not by a long shot. And whatever some fans mistakenly believe, yes we are entitled to comment on what goes on on the pitch. And the people who have paid a fortune to sit there and watch it while their money is used to keep the club running, absolutely they have a say. In fact their say should rank above all others. Anyone who wants to sit their with their mouth taped shut regardless of what happens simply because they feel inadequate, fine go ahead, but don't be trying to impose your head-burying antics on the rest of us. You don't need a coaching badge to realise how bad we were in the title run-in this year, and last year, and the year before, and the year before. How many times should Wenger be allowed to fail? Is that what we're in this game for, to fail? Again and again and again it's been said it's not the lack of trophies that irritates the hell out of some fans. It's the decline in the standard of football, the failure to correct obvious problems, the self-evidently flawed transfer policies and the sheer fucking arrogance coming out of the boardroom and the manager's office. So fine, if Wenger and his cronies want respect then it's a two way street. About time somebody at the club started paying attention to the fans again, the fans being the paying customers who keep the whole damn operation running. And if they want respect then they'd better start earning it, the manager, the players, teh board, the fucking lot of them. How are you meant to respect an outfit the capitulates so readily, if the instruction is to respect losers then the resounding response it no, no fucking way.

[budesonide]

Wenger does his own fair share of disrespecting the fans with his bullshit about team spirit and building for the future, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The trouble he's got is fewer and fewer fans believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He asked for time and he got it, he got far more patience than he would have enjoyed at our (alleged) competitors. I doubt even Fergie would have survived the garbage Wenger has served up over the last few years, the calls for him to be put out to pasture would have been deafening. As for Chelsea, City and Pool, we all know the story there and yet for all their turmoil two of those clubs came back and finished above us as we conspired to throw the season away again. What we witnessed (again) this year was a shocking failure and if a manager's position can't be questioned after a performance like that then when is it valid to asks questions? Should he go? Of course he should. That's what happens to managers who fail in this game. Should he be allowed to stay based on past glories? No. That's not how it happens in this game.

For those who forgive his every fuck up because we as fans don't really know what's happening inside the club - WHO CARES? We do know what's happening in the pitch and it's not good enough, not by a long shot. And whatever some fans mistakenly believe, yes we are entitled to comment on what goes on on the pitch. And the people who have paid a fortune to sit there and watch it while their money is used to keep the club running, absolutely they have a say. In fact their say should rank above all others. Anyone who wants to sit their with their mouth taped shut regardless of what happens simply because they feel inadequate, fine go ahead, but don't be trying to impose your head-burying antics on the rest of us. You don't need a coaching badge to realise how bad we were in the title run-in this year, and last year, and the year before, and the year before. How many times should Wenger be allowed to fail? Is that what we're in this game for, to fail? Again and again and again it's been said it's not the lack of trophies that irritates the hell out of some fans. It's the decline in the standard of football, the failure to correct obvious problems, the self-evidently flawed transfer policies and the sheer fucking arrogance coming out of the boardroom and the manager's office. So fine, if Wenger and his cronies want respect then it's a two way street. About time somebody at the club started paying attention to the fans again, the fans being the paying customers who keep the whole damn operation running. And if they want respect then they'd better start earning it, the manager, the players, teh board, the fucking lot of them. How are you meant to respect an outfit the capitulates so readily, if the instruction is to respect losers then the resounding response it no, no fucking way.

top post, mate.

Wenger has the nerve to say people are being impatient! And we are the disrespectful ones?

It is astonishing -- he is on 6 farking million a year and can't get his team to win a bloody carling cup final against birmingham or prevent his team from collapsing come end of season run-in.

[Power n Glory]

His words - "judge me at the end of the season".

That time has come and I don't want here any more calls for patients, time or hear any attempts to shift the goal posts and Wenger moaning as if the criteria he's being judged on is unfair. He's had his chance and that's it for me. We need a change of direction and Wenger has a few months to get his team in order otherwise the echoes of boos around the stadium will start early.

[Letters]

Wenger does his own fair share of disrespecting the fans with his bullshit about team spirit and building for the future, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Well I agree that does grate

As for Chelsea, City and Pool, we all know the story there and yet for all their turmoil two of those clubs came back and finished above us as we conspired to throw the season away again.

Yes. The two who have billionaire owners and have thrown silly money around. I'd be the first to bemoan Wenger's frugality and he should have spent more but there's no way we can compete with City or Chelsea. We should have finished above both this year and the collapse was embarrassing but we can't compete with clubs who can throw hundreds of millions around like they can.

What we witnessed (again) this year was a shocking failure and if a manager's position can't be questioned after a performance like that then when is it valid to asks questions?

I've been very clear that I think Wenger should go.
That doesn't mean I'll ever disrespect the man, I've seen Arsenal do things I never thought I'd see. The double. Twice. An unbeaten league season. A style of football I never dreamed of under Graham.
Whatever you think about the new stadium, it is a neccessary evil in the modern game and we could not have moved - would not have been at the level to do so - but for Wenger.
For all the failings of the last few years Wenger does NOT deserve some of the disrespect I see on here.

[selassie]

Wenger does his own fair share of disrespecting the fans with his bullshit about team spirit and building for the future, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The trouble he's got is fewer and fewer fans believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He asked for time and he got it, he got far more patience than he would have enjoyed at our (alleged) competitors. I doubt even Fergie would have survived the garbage Wenger has served up over the last few years, the calls for him to be put out to pasture would have been deafening. As for Chelsea, City and Pool, we all know the story there and yet for all their turmoil two of those clubs came back and finished above us as we conspired to throw the season away again. What we witnessed (again) this year was a shocking failure and if a manager's position can't be questioned after a performance like that then when is it valid to asks questions? Should he go? Of course he should. That's what happens to managers who fail in this game. Should he be allowed to stay based on past glories? No. That's not how it happens in this game.

For those who forgive his every fuck up because we as fans don't really know what's happening inside the club - WHO CARES? We do know what's happening in the pitch and it's not good enough, not by a long shot. And whatever some fans mistakenly believe, yes we are entitled to comment on what goes on on the pitch. And the people who have paid a fortune to sit there and watch it while their money is used to keep the club running, absolutely they have a say. In fact their say should rank above all others. Anyone who wants to sit their with their mouth taped shut regardless of what happens simply because they feel inadequate, fine go ahead, but don't be trying to impose your head-burying antics on the rest of us. You don't need a coaching badge to realise how bad we were in the title run-in this year, and last year, and the year before, and the year before. How many times should Wenger be allowed to fail? Is that what we're in this game for, to fail? Again and again and again it's been said it's not the lack of trophies that irritates the hell out of some fans. It's the decline in the standard of football, the failure to correct obvious problems, the self-evidently flawed transfer policies and the sheer fucking arrogance coming out of the boardroom and the manager's office. So fine, if Wenger and his cronies want respect then it's a two way street. About time somebody at the club started paying attention to the fans again, the fans being the paying customers who keep the whole damn operation running. And if they want respect then they'd better start earning it, the manager, the players, teh board, the fucking lot of them. How are you meant to respect an outfit the capitulates so readily, if the instruction is to respect losers then the resounding response it no, no fucking way.

Really Excellent post

[Letters]

Really Excellent post

It is a good post but it's a strange response to my point which was about the level of disrespect shown to Wenger, not the questioning of him or thinking it's time for him to move on.

[KSE Comedy Club]

It is a good post but it's a strange response to my point which was about the level of disrespect shown to Wenger, not the questioning of him or thinking it's time for him to move on.

Whilst Respect has to be earnt it can also be lost. Just because he had most fans respect a few years ago, it doesnt mean he's just gonna keep it.

The respect for him has been on the wane for a while now.

[Letters]

Whilst Respect has to be earnt it can also be lost. Just because he had most fans respect a few years ago, it doesnt mean he's just gonna keep it.

The respect for him has been on the wane for a while now.

Well, like I said Clough ended up taking Forest down and he's still a legend for their fans.
All Wenger's done is taken us from the top of the top 4 to the bottom. We're not in mid-table let alone fighting relegation. He's made some strange decisions, he's maddeningly stubborn and his inability to motivate the teams at time is depressing. But he's not done anything to deserve the level of disrespect he is shown on here.
IMO.

[Özim]

It is a good post but it's a strange response to my point which was about the level of disrespect shown to Wenger, not the questioning of him or thinking it's time for him to move on.

The thing is though, he's quite insulting at times, all the cr*p he comes out with, pointing the finger at he fans in some scenarios. He doesn't seem to be that bothered about the fans these days, his players, finances and his policies are seemingly all he cares about.

He's incredibly patronising too and people never respond well to that, if he was more honest he might get a different reaction.

[GP]

Well, like I said Clough ended up taking Forest down and he's still a legend for their fans.
All Wenger's done is taken us from the top of the top 4 to the bottom. We're not in mid-table let alone fighting relegation. He's made some strange decisions, he's maddeningly stubborn and his inability to motivate the teams at time is depressing. But he's not done anything to deserve the level of disrespect he is shown on here.
IMO.

Good post