Samir "The Weasel" Nasri - The Epitome of Wenger's Failings!!!

[Power n Glory]

Exactly, it is groundless but don’t let that stop the AW hate brigade here from trying to shift the blame on him. First of all, like you said Wenger does not conduct nor does he have the final say in such contract negotiations. I would’ve thought that Cashley’s case would’ve taught people something about the fallacy of such rationale, but no they never learn.

Secondly, I too recall reading that negotiations had started last year. So the club definitely did not leave it late to the last minute! It is most likely the board who wants to protect the wage structure in place and if a player keeps delaying signing the contract for a year what can the club do? How does anyone who’s not privy to such details know conclusively what’s going on and that it wasn’t the player who kept giving assurances that he would sign but has later gone back on his word?

You sure about that? Wenger's own words on the Rooney situation.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger surprised Manchester United did not sit down earlier to negotiate contract with Wayne Rooney
'You are always in renegotiations', says boss


Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has expressed surprise concerning the way Manchester United have dealt with Wayne Rooney's contract issues.

The 24-year-old has less than two-years remaining on his current deal at the club, amid reports that he has told Old Trafford bosses that he does not wish to sign a new one.

Wenger believes that this could only result in the player's value diminishing on the market, if United should at some point consider selling their star.

"I don’t know why [it has happened]," he said, according to the Daily Mail.

"When you sign a player for four years, for example, you have to extend the contract after two years.

"You have to negotiate after the first year. We have people who only negotiate contracts at our club and I come in when it is needed. When you have a professional squad, first-team squad plus players after 16, you have to renegotiate.

"You are always in renegotiations. If you want to keep a player, to protect the value of a player, you have to extend the contract."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...chester-united

The irony of it all. Now Man Utd have put themselves in a position to buy one of our best players because of this error.

He knows the situation and clubs shouldn't allow players to get down to two years on their contract. We've allowed Nasri to get down to 1 year! This makes him look really silly, especially if we lose him to Man U.

[Kano]

You sure about that? Wenger's own words on the Rooney situation.



http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...chester-united

The irony of it all. Now Man Utd have put themselves in a position to buy one of our best players because of this error.

He knows the situation and clubs shouldn't allow players to get down to two years on their contract. We've allowed Nasri to get down to 1 year! This makes him look really silly, especially if we lose him to Man U.

that says nothing about him having a final say and also reinforces that arsenal had an offer on the table for nasri since 2010

[Power n Glory]

that says nothing about him having a final say and also reinforces that arsenal had an offer on the table for nasri since 2010

He says he comes in if needed. So what does that tell you? Do you think he's letting others handle this situation as his best player is considering a move to Man Utd? Don't be naive. He's involved in the talks and he firmly said he won't allow Nasri to move to Man Utd.

And so what if talks started in 2010. He has said a player shouldn't be allowed to get down to 2 years on their contract and that's the same point I made earlier in the thread. He's even says that you should renegotiate in the first year if a player is on a 4 year deal and Toronto Gooner said that was a bad business move earlier in the thread. Nasri has stalled on his contract, but the point is, why has he been allowed to get down to 1 year when we've been negotiating for such a long time? He even said Man U should have considered selling Rooney earlier and he had two years left on his deal. Again, Nasri has one year left and now we're considering a sale after his market valuation has dropped. Wenger knows the score but has failed to act. While this Rooney stuff was going on, we were in talks with Nasri and still hadn't wrapped up a deal but he's talking about another clubs business conducts as if they've done something wrong and he hasn't even got his own house in order. Don't you think that is silly?

I'm not saying Nasri is an angel. He's stalled and taken the piss, but Wenger and the club have failed to act even though they know what's right and makes sense business wise.

[Kano]

He says he comes in if needed. So what does that tell you? Do you think he's letting others handle this situation as his best player is considering a move to Man Utd? Don't be naive. He's involved in the talks and he firmly said he won't allow Nasri to move to Man Utd.

And so what if talks started in 2010. He has said a player shouldn't be allowed to get down to 2 years on their contract and that's the same point I made earlier in the thread. He's even says that you should renegotiate in the first year if a player is on a 4 year deal and Toronto Gooner said that was a bad business move earlier in the thread. Nasri has stalled on his contract, but the point is, why has he been allowed to get down to 1 year when we've been negotiating for such a long time? He even said Man U should have considered selling Rooney earlier and he had two years left on his deal. Again, Nasri has one year left and now we're considering a sale after his market valuation has dropped. Wenger knows the score but has failed to act. While this Rooney stuff was going on, we were in talks with Nasri and still hadn't wrapped up a deal but he's talking about another clubs business conducts as if they've done something wrong and he hasn't even got his own house in order. Don't you think that is silly?

I'm not saying Nasri is an angel. He's stalled and taken the piss, but Wenger and the club have failed to act even though they know what's right and makes sense business wise.

when needed, ie in a situation like now when there are difficulties. what was the CEO's remit when he joined? to take the responsibility away from the manager. do you believe the man heading up the business unit of the club would not have the final say? I think you are being naive really.

he said 'you have to extend the contract after two years' which they tried to do.

amazingly you are putting this at the door of the manager when there are others who do the job and make the final call. i guess it's easier to do that

[Power n Glory]

when needed, ie in a situation like now when there are difficulties. what was the CEO's remit when he joined? to take the responsibility away from the manager. do you believe the man heading up the business unit of the club would not have the final say? I think you are being naive really.

he said 'you have to extend the contract after two years' which they tried to do.

amazingly you are putting this at the door of the manager when there are others who do the job and make the final call. i guess it's easier to do that

So you think Wenger got a call to step in few weeks ago and Gazidis let months go before informing Wenger of the situation?

Wenger is talking about contracts being renewed in the first year when a player is on a four year deal and if it goes beyond two years the club may have to consider selling the player.

So, after the talks stall and we've gone beyond the 24 month period, what next? If Fergie can get up and talk some sense into his player and the Board, why can't Wenger.

Two of his first team players have one year left on their contracts and it will effect him and the team morale. Wenger knew about the situation and he chose to drop both Clichy and Nasri for a few games like he did with Cole, Edu, Wiltord and Lauren when their contract talks weren't going so well. That's what he chose to do.

[Kano]

i reckon he got involved once it became clear nasri and more importantly his agent were stalling late last year. perhaps they were making the right noises but the money issue was the sticking point which meant it dragged on. so we shouldve sold him then you think, right in the middle of his best patch? im sure the fans wouldve seen the business sense there...

wenger is talking about negotiating and negotiating all the time, which in his politician talk is double speak, it doesnt mean much and is vague. realistically you cannot do that.

the club have a wage structure well known to us all that wenger supports. do we know what nasri wants? not really, so 'speaking sense to the board' means nothing.

[Power n Glory]

Yes, Wenger talks rubbish and can't be trusted. All his talk is hot air. And you wonder why fans clamp down on him. Don't give the impression that you're in control of things if you're not.

Nasri may be asking for over £100k, we're getting rid of Bendtner and Denilson this season so we can afford it. If we can't, sign him up, keep his valuation high and then sell him when we're back in control. It's that simple.

[Super Ghel]

when needed, ie in a situation like now when there are difficulties. what was the CEO's remit when he joined? to take the responsibility away from the manager. do you believe the man heading up the business unit of the club would not have the final say? I think you are being naive really.

he said 'you have to extend the contract after two years' which they tried to do.

amazingly you are putting this at the door of the manager when there are others who do the job and make the final call. i guess it's easier to do that

Yup, spot on. Also, just because certain negotiations are not made public, does it mean it doesn’t exist? What’s ironic is how people can equate a remark of “Wenger coming in when needed” as the equivalent of him having the final say of contract negotiations, which in Nasri’s case, is clearly a wages issue!

If anything, the article goes to illustrate the opposite, in fact it’s other people in the club who’re responsible for such things. To me, “Wenger coming in when needed” is more likely a scenario whereby negotiations have presumably stalled and he tries his best to cajole Nasri into understanding the club’s position and perhaps even ask the board to up the wages offer a little. But that doesn’t mean the board or whoever has the final veto will agree!! Cashley anyone? Yes, when Rooney accuses the club of ‘lacking ambition’ and ultimately got what the wages he wanted, does that mean Wenger can persuade the club to do the same? We already see in Cashley’s case the board can play extreme hardball with £5k per week, what makes us think it’s any different now?

[Power n Glory]

Cole eventually got the wages he wanted but after agreeing to let him go if he still wasn't happy after signing a new deal.

[selassie]

Yup, spot on. Also, just because certain negotiations are not made public, does it mean it doesn’t exist? What’s ironic is how people can equate a remark of “Wenger coming in when needed” as the equivalent of him having the final say of contract negotiations, which in Nasri’s case, is clearly a wages issue!

If anything, the article goes to illustrate the opposite, in fact it’s other people in the club who’re responsible for such things. To me, “Wenger coming in when needed” is more likely a scenario whereby negotiations have presumably stalled and he tries his best to cajole Nasri into understanding the club’s position and perhaps even ask the board to up the wages offer a little. But that doesn’t mean the board or whoever has the final veto will agree!! Cashley anyone? Yes, when Rooney accuses the club of ‘lacking ambition’ and ultimately got what the wages he wanted, does that mean Wenger can persuade the club to do the same? We already see in Cashley’s case the board can play extreme hardball with £5k per week, what makes us think it’s any different now?

I think some of us are looking at the Nasri situation with red tinted glasses on. Nasri may actually have sporting ambitions to go and play somewhere to win things, sorry but that's the sad reality and the state of our current affairs, we're not winners, we don't win anything.

Of course money plays a part, but IMHO Nasri has a higher chance of winning things at 2...maybe 3 clubs in PL and a number of clubs on the continent.

I do think there is some truth in his demands about wanting to see if Arsene sufficiently strengthens the squad. Of course I don't like the way he (Nasri) is acting...but that's the harsh reality of the situation we're in.