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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    And when we do for players like koscienly we get ridiculed.
    That kid cost us £8m. Compare that price with Samba's. It doesn't matter anyway. Not sure if Samba would be the same player if he came straight to Arsenal from the German league.

    Wenger has signed a host of defensive flops over the years. The problem isn't financial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    LoL

    Going round in circles. Plain to see your one of the gullible folk who believe were a top club financially. I think/hope your in the minority.
    I dispair.

    I am the one working with facts here. You are the one claiming inside knowledge of Arsenal's bank accounts.

    ‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

    The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

    Barcelona are in debt to their eyeballs, but they do spend lavishly where necessary to make sure they stay winners and a top team. They are not a top club financially by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    That kid cost us £8m. Compare that price with Samba's. It doesn't matter anyway. Not sure if Samba would be the same player if he came straight to Arsenal from the German league.

    Wenger has signed a host of defensive flops over the years. The problem isn't financial.
    Compare him with how much Vidic or Skrtel cost their clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    PnG, the main reason were interested in him is because he has PL experience, yet strangely your critising him for not only doing exactly what he's being doing for the last few years (and let's not predent samba was or even is world class), but now that he's looking to get players with epl experience it's something to bash him over the head with.

    Mental.
    The point is....drumroll.....he can't coach defence! What's the matter with you? How comes other coaches can grab a guy from other leagues and turn them into decent defenders? Vidic is another example.

    This is why it's not just about finances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budesonide View Post
    I dispair.

    I am the one working with facts here. You are the one claiming inside knowledge of Arsenal's bank accounts.

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    Barcelona are in debt to their eyeballs, but they do spend lavishly where necessary to make sure they stay winners and a top team. They are not a top club financially by any means.
    Err, Arsenal's accounts are part of the audited figures published every year. Whilst they do not provide specific details of individual bank accounts, they do provide the necessary information regarding finances.

    As for Barcelona, there are several major differences between them and Arsenal. First, and probably most critical, is the fact that they are a member-owned organisation and not a publicly (albeit limited) traded company. Another huge fact is that they have (along with Real Madrid) a special deal with the television companies whereby these two clubs receive the lion's share of revenues. All-in-all Barcelona is able to fund its transfer activities through loans and debts because it has such a strong cash flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner View Post
    Err, Arsenal's accounts are part of the audited figures published every year. Whilst they do not provide specific details of individual bank accounts, they do provide the necessary information regarding finances.

    As for Barcelona, there are several major differences between them and Arsenal. First, and probably most critical, is the fact that they are a member-owned organisation and not a publicly (albeit limited) traded company. Another huge fact is that they have (along with Real Madrid) a special deal with the television companies whereby these two clubs receive the lion's share of revenues. All-in-all Barcelona is able to fund its transfer activities through loans and debts because it has such a strong cash flow.
    And the reason barcalona have a strong cashflow is because they win! Hence they are an attractive comercial BRAND. And if they don't win they make sure they spend (lavishly -- they borrow if they have to) where necessary to make sure they win.

    Once again:

    ‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

    The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

    The main issue is not financial.

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    The point is, I think every other team seems able to muster up the resources to spend in areas that are essential. Most clubs wouldn't go into the season taking a gamble on the goalkeeper. Or not bother to buy a striker when you're in the title hunt and you're number one striker is out injured for the rest of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    That kid cost us £8m. Compare that price with Samba's. It doesn't matter anyway. Not sure if Samba would be the same player if he came straight to Arsenal from the German league.

    Wenger has signed a host of defensive flops over the years. The problem isn't financial.
    Could make the same argument about toure, Ashley cole, hell wasn't upson from our academy?

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    Upson's a turd. Little England stint and he's a great defender all of a sudden. Do me a fackin' favour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Could make the same argument about toure, Ashley cole, hell wasn't upson from our academy?
    Upson cannot be classed as an Arsenal academy graduate as he joined from Luton at the age of 18.
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