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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    You were the one who said wenger does not buy players because they kill other players, if thats the case Mikel would not have been bought in case he "killed Frimpong"

    IMO he would have been bought regardless of wilshere being injured or not, he may have not be bought had we not got tonked buy UTD thats the diffrence.
    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...d-again-for-us

    We had injuries to Gibbs, Vermaelen, Wilshere and Diaby. We bought a left back, CB, a central mid player and one central mid player on loan on deadline day. He says we bought because we had departures and injuries to key players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...d-again-for-us

    We had injuries to Gibbs, Vermaelen, Wilshere and Diaby. We bought a left back, CB, a central mid player and one central mid player on loan on deadline day. He says we bought because we had departures and injuries to key players.

    not disagree, however i still think he'd have bought a CM even with jack fit, after selling cesc and samir, he knew he needed that spark in the middle of the park thats they we were linked with Hazard and mata.

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    Here is a good little read from online gooner

    They say that a sign of madness is doing exactly the same thing and expecting a different outcome. If this is a fair definition, then there are quite a few mad Arsenal supporters around, because it looks to me like the pattern of umpteen transfer windows is about to be repeated, yet to read the Internet many believe we are about to recruit an exotic cocktail of top players like Götze, Hazard, M’Vila and Podolski.


    Stan: AFC a nice cash cow?
    As I write this, the sky has darkened as squadrons of pigs fly past the window. We ought to learn the lessons of history, at least recent history, and accept that, as far as spectacular transfers are concerned, Arsenal fans are very unlikely to see the exciting transfer coup as long as Arsčne is at the helm. He has had his moments—the Sol Campbell signing (although that had the fingerprints of David Dein on it), Jose Antonio Reyes (likewise) and the signing of Andre Arshavin three years ago, although that was less a dramatic coup than an interminable saga and one that has ultimately done us very little good.

    It was interesting to attend home games in recent weeks. There was a weird sort of euphoria about the place, as if we were ecstatic at having our sights set on fourth place. It struck me that we were turning into Spurs. A few odd performances of quality, interspersed with some implausible defeats, was very much the way Spurs have proceeded over the last twenty years or so. I have Spurs-supporting friends (someone has to) who have never believed they would ever challenge for a title and that their club will only flatter to deceive. It has become ingrained in the DNA of the club. Can mediocrity (or relative mediocrity) become part of your culture? That was a question you only ever asked about Spurs, but if you examine us over the last few years, we seem to be morphing into them. In several of the last years, we stood early in the New Year on the threshold of possible League glory, only to fold under pressure. Last year was the worst example, but in two of the three previous seasons before, the squad failed us when the pressure got to the less experienced and lower-quality players.

    When we’ve won titles under Wenger, we’ve come with a terrific sprint in the New Year, in 1998 coming from twelve points back to win the League with two games to spare, and in 2002 clinching a Double after a stupendous run from January onwards. In 2004 we never faltered all season, and the signing of Reyes was the cherry on the cake, as he appeared to be the most exciting talent in Europe.

    Recent transfer windows have seen us set our sights more modestly at trying to re-sign the remaining Invincibles for a last great hurrah. Campbell, Lehmann and now Henry are the signings of a great manager who has turned from being a wily operator into a cheapskate.

    I wrote earlier in the year about the almost total mismanagement of the last transfer window, and most people seemed to agree. We could already write off any chance of the League title by the time the window closed. So what if we’ve done better since? We’ve beaten only one top side (and that description of Chelsea is extremely generous) and lost to Spurs, City, Liverpool and, of course, were annihilated by a United team that now looks to be pretty mediocre itself. Our spree following that showed just what can be achieved quickly in the transfer market if you have a will to do it. We made some decent transfers and, in Oxlade-Chamberlain, maybe an inspired one, but what we see at Arsenal is the slow decline of a very unambitious club, run by an American sports entrepreneur whose main interest is in the NFL (his team, the Rams, are the worst in the whole of the league) and a Board chaired by the terminally-bumbling Peter Hill-Wood, who I would love to challenge to a game of Arsenal trivia one day.

    It pains me to say it, but, over at the cesspit known as White Hart something, we see a more ambitious club who manage to keep their marquee players, who think signing Rafael Van de Vaart represents a great piece of business at Ł8 million (which it is), and incrementally improve the team and the squad each year. Frankly, and it grieves me to say it, they have become stronger than us for the first time in thirty years, just because they recruit ambitiously. I can’t remember any re-signings of Mike England or Alan Gilzean, either.

    This window, Wenger will procrastinate over the need to sign another left-back when we have one who collapses at a breath of wind and another who is out until March. We seem to be looking in Oman for the bargain of the century. This should have been sorted by the start of the window and a good utility defender recruited either on loan or for sensible cash. It’s hard not to feel that Arsčne has lost his appetite for wheeler-dealing (if he ever had one) and, now that everyone copies his methods (often more successfully), he can’t reinvent himself.

    We never seem to convince our latest departing star that we are as ambitious as the club they are being induced to join. There is, of course, an obvious reason for that. We are a selling club, and the age at which we sell is moving downwards if the price is right. Wilshere says he will never leave the club. You won’t get the chance to make this decision, Jack! If this continues, the club will slip out of the Champions League and slip back into the mediocrity of the early '80s. Don’t forget who was Chairman then!

    It is not easy to have great optimism from where I sit. Kroenke needs a cash cow. The prestige of an “EPL” club of Arsenal’s stature will do for him; the Board lacks the sort of ambition that Dein and Fiszman had, and Arsčne has lost his mojo. Frankly, it was embarrassing to see him interviewed after the Fulham game. He brought our club into disrepute with his petulance - a club he has done so much to build. I don’t see how it can’t end in tears for him unless the ownership changes and he can be persuaded to shake up his coaching team. Not original suggestions, but it doesn’t make them wrong. At the moment, I can’t see Kroenke selling unless it’s for silly money and, unless he does, I think we might even crave the excitement of playing on Thursday nights on Channel 5.
    http://www.onlinegooner.com/article....lusive&id=2572

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    not disagree, however i still think he'd have bought a CM even with jack fit, after selling cesc and samir, he knew he needed that spark in the middle of the park thats they we were linked with Hazard and mata.
    Like we were linked with Cahill and Samba.

    Usually, if Wenger doesn't get the player he wants, he doesn't look for anyone else. These deadline day deals and if Wilshere and Diaby were fit, I doubt he'd have bought Arteta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Like we were linked with Cahill and Samba.

    Usually, if Wenger doesn't get the player he wants, he doesn't look for anyone else. These deadline day deals and if Wilshere and Diaby were fit, I doubt he'd have bought Arteta.
    well after gettting stuffed 8-2 you might realise you have to and sign players reagardless. I can't believe wenger would have left the sqaud how it is seeing how it was effected by those two losses. even had diaby and jack being fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    well after gettting stuffed 8-2 you might realise you have to and sign players reagardless. I can't believe wenger would have left the sqaud how it is seeing how it was effected by those two losses. even had diaby and jack being fit.
    That another issue and goes against your point about Wenger looking to buy Arteta regardless of injuries. Arteta wasn't on Wenger's radar and that goes back to the original point being made. There are good players that we can afford to sign and that can do the job, but they're not on Wenger's radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    well after gettting stuffed 8-2 you might realise you have to and sign players reagardless. I can't believe wenger would have left the sqaud how it is seeing how it was effected by those two losses. even had diaby and jack being fit.
    He was forced into signing players in the end, not even players we would have gone for had we had the choice.

    Had he not been so blinded he could have found some top players in the summer who could have really made all the difference, the signings have done ok don't get me wrong but none of them are world beaters (Oxo might be one day but not now).

    We lost two top players and should have replaced them with players of similar quality, in the end we just panic bought good players that maybe lack that special something the top players have. By losing your best players and replacing them with players nowhere near as good your just making your chances of success even lower, especially when you have a lack of real game changers left....might have been different if we had a few more top class players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    He was forced into signing players in the end, not even players we would have gone for had we had the choice.

    Had he not been so blinded he could have found some top players in the summer who could have really made all the difference, the signings have done ok don't get me wrong but none of them are world beaters (Oxo might be one day but not now).

    We lost two top players and should have replaced them with players of similar quality, in the end we just panic bought good players that maybe lack that special something the top players have. By losing your best players and replacing them with players nowhere near as good your just making your chances of success even lower, especially when you have a lack of real game changers left....might have been different if we had a few more top class players.
    Can't disagree with that, and had wenger done what he should have done and sorted out deals before the 2 left we'd be in a better position no doubt. my point was it was not injurys that made him panic buy, because lets face it when has he ever done that before, it was more or less getting stuffed that did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    That another issue and goes against your point about Wenger looking to buy Arteta regardless of injuries. Arteta wasn't on Wenger's radar and that goes back to the original point being made. There are good players that we can afford to sign and that can do the job, but they're not on Wenger's radar.
    Agreed and why he does not want them only he can know that. we could have got larsson in the summer, parker as some wanted even gone for Remy who is better then what we have upfront and wenger should have got them instead of messing about with Nasri/Cesc deals no denying that.

    my point was even if jack was fit he still would have been forced to buy mikel even though he did not want him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    Good read. . .and its right and as a Gooner I do not envy or wish to be like the Scum. . .but you cant not agree that they dont think twice about taking a risk or spladhing the cash. . .thete are not many I would want from their squad but I still feel sick how they beat us to Parker. . .we knew we wete going to lose Cesc and Nasri, . .why o,n earth did we not spend the peanuts it cost to land him, I will never know

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