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Fair opint.
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Fair opint.
We lost that game in the middle of the park and it was the same against Fulham. We didn't have control of the game. It's been a problem area from day one and early on in the season, people were saying we were more direct, focussing on wing play, playing a more counter attacking game as if it was intentional. It wasn't and Wenger hasn't changed his philosophy on possession play. We just can't keep possession because the midfield trio aren't good enough to bounce the ball around. Song is the best out of all of them when it comes to passing and keeping possession.
We had no cohesion from the centre yesterday and there were massive gaps in the middle of the park. Yossi and Ramsey were all over the place and just couldn't keep a tight unit. Neither are that good at winning the ball back either and they're undisciplined with their movement so Swansea were pretty comfortable on the ball. Wenger didn't get the balance right there and Rosicky should have played ahead of Ramsey. That kid has had too many stinkers and can't conduct a midfield.
The problem is, Wenger wants to play that way and can't adapt. Why not get the team to sit deeper and have Walcott playing off the shoulder of his man, same goes for Arshavin and see if we can RVP to just drop off his man and look to thread either man through on counter attacks or see if Ramsey is any good at picking out long range passes into space instead of the intricate stuff? We only know how to play one way and even with key players injured Wenger is still trying to the same game. Arshavin and Walcott can't beat there man on the flanks. Both are pretty shit at dribbling. But in a straight line race to goal, they'll beat most defenders and not bad at finishing when confident. It's how we got our second goal.
Arshavin and RVP are the most creative players on the filed but one is stuck out wide and the other is high up the field playing as a striker. Why is Arshavin playing on the flanks when Miquel is playing as left back? That's just dangerous. Wenger needs to figure out where the creativity is going to come from and look at the strengths and weakness of his players. Arshavin and Theo can't dribble past players or create from wide positions so why play them there? Ramsey and Yossi aren't great passers either so where is the creativity going to come from? Neither are good at tackling and winning the ball back and we're playing against a team that are very comfortable on the ball and keep possession well. This is why Wenger baffles me. He just doesn't make tactical decisions like other managers. He doesn't take the opposition into consideration or the players he has at his disposal into consideration either. It's like he has tunnel vision. The most rigid manager out of all of the top guys.
Superb fucking post mate...top quality....post of 2012 so far....spot on.
What concerns me is Wengers inability to try and adapt...Wenger still believes your 11 can play our 11 and if we are better we will win.....yet we no longer have the Bergkamps, Henrys (Prime), Pires etc of this world to make it work
Guinness.
Last edited by Coney; 17-01-2012 at 06:30 PM.
I would like to see us play the 4-4-1-1 that Everton do. Play RvP up top as usual but sit Arshavin just behind him, play Gervinho and Walcott a lot deeper but looking to rush forward when we win the ball. It would offer more support for RvP while playing Arshavin in his most effective role, give more protection to the back four, especially the full backs or lack thereof. The only problem is you lose a man in the midfield but playing the wider players further infield should help with that. That would mean a first team of...
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---Sagna-------Kos-------Verm--------Santos
-Walcott--------Song--------Ramteta-----megamind--
-------------------Arshavin--------------
----------------------RvP---------------
That is what I would like to see as well because it makes no sense to play a 4-3-3 the way we do. We may a lose the extra man in the middle but I can't see the point of it of we can't dominate possession and always get cut through like butter. Our midfield trio has no discipline and it defeats the purpose of the formation. We had a discussion about Cesc at Barca some months back and Pep said he move around too and occupys others space too much. He causes confusion with his runs and needs to curb it. He learned that from Arsenal and that's what we're seeing with Rambo, Song and Arteta. Song and Rambo have no positional discipline and leave massive gaps. We might as well lose one of the trio and have more defined roles for the pair. I swear neither Ramsey or Yossi knew what their roles were against Swansea.
Anyway, I think we could get more out of Arshavin playing behind RVP. If that fails, we could at least play RVP behind an off the shoulder striker like Walcott or Park. We have plenty of untried options here. Even Chamakh could be useful the lumbering oaf. Around the box he's okay with the hold up play and a strike playing off the shoulder of defenders could work well. There are more options that haven't been tried. We're not making use of the players we have.
Arshavin is a lazy bastard or just unfit. He goes for one touch risky passes, has a bit of pace and is intelligent around the box. He has the dribbling skills to turn a man and get that extra space, but forget Messi/Ronlado type dribbling from him on the flanks. So why is Wenger playing this sort of player on the wings? He hasn't got the work rate for it and it's like Fergie playing Berbatov on the flanks. It's just a bad decision. Pace is the only thing he has going for him out wide but if you can't beat your man and if he's dead on his feet after a few burst of pace, what's the point?
It's the similar for Theo. Why play a guy out there when he's no good with the ball to his feet? He can't dribble, cross or pass. Senseless decision. Play him on the shoulder of a striker so he can worry defences. Let him focus on off the ball movement and exploiting space like Owen used to. He's no winger.
RVP is on hot form right now and if we played him in the Bergkamp role, I think he'd still get goals and probably help set up a ton as well. He's a great at creating as well as scoring and right now, we have him focussing on one thing when he could possibly be doing more to help his buddies. I wouldn't say it's vital for him to play behind a quick striker, but it is an option.
Let Areta and Song play deep central midfield roles Gervinho and Ox on the flanks and we have a more balanced side that goes back to the way we used to play. Tough tackling bastards in the middle, speed and skill on the flanks, and our main playmaker in the final third on the edge of the box. Come Wenger. For old times sakes damn it.
[QUOTE=Power_n_Glory;87393]That is what I would like to see as well because it makes no sense to play a 4-3-3 the way we do. We may a lose the extra man in the middle but I can't see the point of it of we can't dominate possession and always get cut through like butter. Our midfield trio has no discipline and it defeats the purpose of the formation. We had a discussion about Cesc at Barca some months back and Pep said he move around too and occupys others space too much. He causes confusion with his runs and needs to curb it. He learned that from Arsenal and that's what we're seeing with Rambo, Song and Arteta. Song and Rambo have no positional discipline and leave massive gaps. We might as well lose one of the trio and have more defined roles for the pair. I swear neither Ramsey or Yossi knew what their roles were against Swansea.
Anyway, I think we could get more out of Arshavin playing behind RVP. If that fails, we could at least play RVP behind an off the shoulder striker like Walcott or Park. We have plenty of untried options here. Even Chamakh could be useful the lumbering oaf. Around the box he's okay with the hold up play and a strike playing off the shoulder of defenders could work well. There are more options that haven't been tried. We're not making use of the players we have.
Arshavin is a lazy bastard or just unfit. He goes for one touch risky passes, has a bit of pace and is intelligent around the box. He has the dribbling skills to turn a man and get that extra space, but forget Messi/Ronlado type dribbling from him on the flanks. So why is Wenger playing this sort of player on the wings? He hasn't got the work rate for it and it's like Fergie playing Berbatov on the flanks. It's just a bad decision. Pace is the only thing he has going for him out wide but if you can't beat your man and if he's dead on his feet after a few burst of pace, what's the point?
It's the similar for Theo. Why play a guy out there when he's no good with the ball to his feet? He can't dribble, cross or pass. Senseless decision. Play him on the shoulder of a striker so he can worry defences. Let him focus on off the ball movement and exploiting space like Owen used to. He's no winger.
RVP is on hot form right now and if we played him in the Bergkamp role, I think he'd still get goals and probably help set up a ton as well. He's a great at creating as well as scoring and right now, we have him focussing on one thing when he could possibly be doing more to help his buddies. I wouldn't say it's vital for him to play behind a quick striker, but it is an option.
Let Areta and Song play deep central midfield roles Gervinho and Ox on the flanks and we have a more balanced side that goes back to the way we used to play. Tough tackling bastards in the middle, speed and skill on the flanks, and our main playmaker in the final third on the edge of the box. Come Wenger. For old times sakes damn it.[/QUOTE]
Arsene aint listening.
tbh, he shouldn't be listening to internet twats who wouldn't have the foggiest clue what is involved in running a Premiershihp club. Some of his decisions are baffling but I'm not sure he should be looking here for advice.
At the end of the season, Arsene Wenger should bow out gracefully with his head held high.
Wenger.
And you can piss off as well. All you do is WUM and then try to ban people. Contribute something worthwhile to the discussion or just go to bed.
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