Transfer targets in January

[Niall_Quinn]

And who do we blame for that?

You.

[Cripps_orig]

You.

Board or Wenger?

Board for not releasing money or and more likely Wenger for not spending the millions we have cos hes a stubborn prick who wants to do thing the "right way" not realising the "right way" is also the wrong cunt way

[Flavs]

Fair enough, guess she must be a dirty bitch then. You should get her tagged, I think that means you get her money. It would be nice if you could kick a fraction back to the club.

It was a disgrace the way she was treated to be fair, given all that money for her shares like she asked for, and she didnt even have to do anything.

Shocking

[Kano]

Seriously though as in the summer and before that at the carling cup final the board and management have a chance to show the fans and their peers that we are still up for it, still a big club and still serious about challenging for honours. A big name signing would do that, would get he fans behind the team again, would add the impetus to the current players that we are still keen and would be some much needed good news.

As nice as it is to see Henry back in the shirt its not even close to being the answer tbf. I would think after the debacle in the summer the club would at least want to assure the fans we are still title hopefuls. I can see yet more season tickets not being renewed at this rate, more unrest from the usually quiet and patient fans and more calls for Wengers head on a pike.

Also where is Stan the man in all this? How about a communication Stan? Bit of an idea where we are going and how we are going to get there?

since the apocalyptic start to the season, the fans and team were gelling together so if anything, a couple of defeats and it's the fans that are insisting how shit everything is again and how useless we are. There was hope put into this team for nothing more than a top 4 place as a starting position to rebuild on, yet that seems to have been discarded in an instant.

[Niall_Quinn]

Board or Wenger?

Board for not releasing money or and more likely Wenger for not spending the millions we have cos hes a stubborn prick who wants to do thing the "right way" not realising the "right way" is also the wrong cunt way

One, the other, both. They don't tell fans shit like that. They just expect the fans to do their duty and fork over the cash. And we do because we're idiots who remember how much football meant to us. And we confuse this with the shit that passes for football today. A money circus with all the passion strangled by greedy fuckheads, whether they be scumbag business leeches, overpaid managers or brattish players with agents hanging out of their arses. We're the transition generation. Can't see football surviving for the generations to come, at least not in any form we'd recognise.

[LDG]

since the apocalyptic start to the season, the fans and team were gelling together so if anything, a couple of defeats and it's the fans that are insisting how shit everything is again and how useless we are. There was hope put into this team for nothing more than a top 4 place as a starting position to rebuild on, yet that seems to have been discarded in an instant.

In all honesty, it is glaringly obvious we're short at the moment. And most patient, fair-minded fans are extremely worried.

There is something still wrong, and whilst we took a few steps in the right direction after the horrific end of season, and start of the new, it's blatently obvious we have a long way to go.

We do need to spend some money.

[Kano]

I don't dispute any of that, it's just ridiculous how quick the fans are to detach from the effort put in on both sides which really helped lift the gloom and provided a more positive start point. We are exactly where we were a few weeks back, which is in place to battle for 4th with two other teams just as inconsistent as us this season.

[Niall_Quinn]

since the apocalyptic start to the season, the fans and team were gelling together so if anything, a couple of defeats and it's the fans that are insisting how shit everything is again and how useless we are. There was hope put into this team for nothing more than a top 4 place as a starting position to rebuild on, yet that seems to have been discarded in an instant.

Nah, the more optimistic thought there had been a shift. Thought there was a bit more fight in the team. Knew we weren't winning anything but thought we'd at least started to inch forwards again. I see what you are saying but it now looks like the mini run of form was more an appreciation of impending disaster rather than a longer term introduction of steel. The old feeling of been here, seen that, is back. Not just because of Swansea, although it was shocking to see us outplayed - a real indication of how far away we are from just a few years back. But Christmas in general has shown all the old problems resurfacing. Seems to me when we fall below the bare minimum standard we can find the will to drag ourselves back. But when the ambition rises one step above that we still can't handle it.

But, we remain optimistic I suppose because slaughtering the team serves no purpose either. Gooners at the mercy of the goons in charge. We'll have to settle for what they want, whether that be the total conversion of the club into some personal cash machine or (doesn't look like it) some future plan to start us back on the track.

Not sure I really like football any more. I thin I like the memory of it and all I';m doing now is going through a period of inertia.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't dispute any of that, it's just ridiculous how quick the fans are to detach from the effort put in on both sides which really helped lift the gloom and provided a more positive start point. We are exactly where we were a few weeks back, which is in place to battle for 4th with two other teams just as inconsistent as us this season.

We're not exactly where we were because the game count has rolled on, our rivals DID drop the points we needed them to drop. We didn't capitalise. Now we need our rivals to fuck up again. The chances of that are getting smaller as the games roll on. We've gone backwards. It's just the clubs behind us aren't all that either, else we'd be lower down the table too.

[Kano]

Nah, the more optimistic thought there had been a shift. Thought there was a bit more fight in the team. Knew we weren't winning anything but thought we'd at least started to inch forwards again. I see what you are saying but it now looks like the mini run of form was more an appreciation of impending disaster rather than a longer term introduction of steel. The old feeling of been here, seen that, is back. Not just because of Swansea, although it was shocking to see us outplayed - a real indication of how far away we are from just a few years back. But Christmas in general has shown all the old problems resurfacing. Seems to me when we fall below the bare minimum standard we can find the will to drag ourselves back. But when the ambition rises one step above that we still can't handle it.

the bare minimum is to get 4th, the absolute worst we should be achieving in any given season and we are still on course for that. ambition above that would be to aim for 3rd and go on a winning run for weeks but we all should be aware that isn't happening and was obvious at the start of the season.

the issue we have is after our start, we could not afford a dip in form at any point but that isn't realistic as every team has their down turns through a season, yet we have got lucky that chelsea and liverpool are doing as we are. we've dipped but given this lot have come back from the worst start you could imagine, so they do have it in them to crawl into 4th.

what i don't see the sense in is patching up the differences that were so apparent last season, the drift between fans and the team has been closed and then turning our backs when we hit troubled waters again. as you said, it won't benefit the team and i think we all know it won't benefit us. that doesn't mean putting up with a pile of turd every week but at least seeing through the effort put in by everyone on and off the pitch this season.