Wenger must go end of the season

[Boss]

As stated many times on here before, our lack of trophies in the last 6 years has nothing to do with money.

Mourinho would do a lot, lot more with Arsenal than Wenger has, but Mourinho may not have any kind of chance of being able to put together the squad Wenger has on the money he's done.

Ferguson and Mourinho would be able to win the league with our squad last year, of that I'm pretty sure. Whether would be able to with the one this is more difficult to predict, given the drop in quality but I think they'd at least be able to put in a decent challenge.

[Fist of Lehmann]

As stated many times on here before, our lack of trophies in the last 6 years has nothing to do with money.

An opinion stated repeatedly is still just that. An opinion.

[Kano]

As stated many times on here before, our lack of trophies in the last 6 years has nothing to do with money.

perhaps but maureen would want a sizeable amount to bring his guys in. he won't be interested in picking up wengers pieces.

[selassie]

Depends if his board want instant success though is it not. He have no excuse not to spend over there and he not be on a tight budget.

I'd guess instant success given that they have already ploughed millions into the club. Somehow I can't see Arsene being allowed the time to organically groom a team out of graduates.

I do find it funny that whenever Arsene gets a lot of pressure from Fans regarding his position stories about where he could go or is going to go come out in the press.

I'm honestly at the point now where I couldn't care if he went tomorrow. I respect him for his achievements and to some extent his philosophy but I think it's definitely time for a fresh start.

[Coney]

Realistically what would we see with a different manager?

Are the board going to back this hypothetical new guy with more money? Or any money? Kroenke has already stated he's happy with the way the club is run and isn't looking to make any significant changes in that dept. And why should he? We are one of the few profit making clubs on the planet, and this is someone who invested his money, not for love, but for money.

And btw, anyone who thinks Usmanov is not motivated by money should bear in mind that when he bought shares he described us, not as a great club with an illustrious history and a massive potential to win things, but as a "nice portfolio addition".

Given that, what would a new manager have to play with? In raw materials, the same bunch of players, in money, the 5th largest wage bill in the Premiership. In terms of tactics and coaching, a different approach.

A new man can, and probably would re-balance the wage structure. More money at the top end, and less money for the second string. Logically that would mean that we would be able to attract better first choice 11 players, but worse second string. A better first 11 sounds great, until you consider our injury record and how reliant we are on the certain sections of the squad.

This year, fullbacks. Last year, centre backs. The year before, centre forwards.According to Lady Arse we lead the league in injuries again. We've invested heavily in a new cutting edge medical centre last year, but we're yet to reap the rewards.

This will all be magically solved of course if you believe that it is Arsene's training methods, style of play or over-reliance on certain players are the cause (over-reliance which can only be exacerbated by having a large discrepancy between 1st 11 and 2nd string).

To sum up, dunno really.

No - for me, it has been strikers that can score, year after year. While the defence has had cock-ups over the last 4 or 5 years (and I'm ignoring the tragic August this year as exceptionally shit and hopefully a one-off) the result has in the main just being that we dropped 2 points because we lost our 1 goal lead in the dying seconds, or lost from a drawing position for the same reason. However, time and again it should not have mattered because (if we had the tenacity of manu) we should have scored enough times that leaking the odd goal does not matter. And again, most times it happens against mediocre teams - and by rights of the amount of possession we should have been several goals up. This happens time and again, regardless of our defence being solid or crap.

Even in Henry's last season, there were no other players stepping up to take shots at goal. It has been the constant problem. When Henry left, I had though that the other players, who had been over-awed by him and who were almost forced to feed the ball for him to score, would then have that burden taken away and then start shooting and scoring. But they didn't. And bar RvP, that seems to me to have remained the case for the last 5+ years. Wenger seems OK with that. As soon as we are a goal up, we go all defensive and he even substitutes to do that. So time and again, we end up defending for the last 20-30 minutes inviting the opposition to score. And since we have no scorers of our own, even when we get a break, unless it is headed by RvP on a good day, fuck all happens.

If we had more players that could shoot and score, that would have the desired defensive effect because unlike now, the opposition could not take the risk of sending everyone up. At the moment, if they are a goal down, they don't need any players in their own half because we have all retreated to the back of our half to defend a flakey one goal lead.

And I haven't even mentioned 4-4-2 yet, where with 2 attackers ready to pounce, there is a defensive effect because the opposition is forced to keep players back. Well, actually I did in a way. With only one person (RvP) seemingly capable of shooting and scoring, 4-5-1 is the only possibility. And vice versa. And so on forever until something forces it to change. Like a manager who can put on a different record. Which means..... etc.

[Niall_Quinn]

Regarding the possible managerial swap between Wenger and Maureen. Out of the 2 managers who do you think would be more succesful in a seasons time if they did swap?

Mourinho without a shadow of a doubt. The guys will win at all costs, if you don't give him money to outspend the opposition he'll find another way to fuck them up. This guy is the best and the most intensely committed manager in the world, almost the exact reverse of Wenger. Wenger is a purist who involves himself in every aspect of the club. Mourinho is a street fighter who doesn't give a shit about the club and focuses everything on the battle on the pitch. If I was going into a fight I'd want Mourinho beside me every time, listening to Arsene talk about optimum energy efficiency while getting kicked in the head wouldn't be for me.

Plus I see Mourinho as the only manager who could take on and defeat our board. I consider our board to be Arsenal's biggest challenge and Arsenal's biggest enemy. Mourinho could fuck them up, drive them out and cause the sort of chaos we need to see at this club to reboot it. He'd get the players and the fans 100% behind him and we'd see the results on the pitch even without reinforcements. Everyone would end up hating us intensely, the hallmark of success in football. This is the only guy I could see being able to do a better job that Wenger. Anyone else would get eaten up by the board so nothing would change.

Swap deal, hell yes let's do it.

Also, never going to happen in a million years. The board has its man, the guy who focuses on money rather than the winner who is 100% committed to results.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'd guess instant success given that they have already ploughed millions into the club. Somehow I can't see Arsene being allowed the time to organically groom a team out of graduates.

I do find it funny that whenever Arsene gets a lot of pressure from Fans regarding his position stories about where he could go or is going to go come out in the press.

I'm honestly at the point now where I couldn't care if he went tomorrow. I respect him for his achievements and to some extent his philosophy but I think it's definitely time for a fresh start.

Yep same here buddy. what he did for the club should be just that what he did, its what he does now that should count. I can't say whether or not spending moeny or not is his decsion because i don't and probs will never know. However i don't think he helps himself at times when he comes out with stuff like WP etc. my on concern if he does go is who comes in. I don't think Stan K will care who it is as long as money is being made.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger would fail in madrid and be sacked within a season

I think Wenger would be very successful in Madrid. He's not against spending money, he's for spending within the club's means. He'd have plenty of cash at Madrid and many of they types of player he's been trying to turn our lot into on a shoestring. He'd give Pep a run for his money because he'd have money and I believe he'd spend it. Quite a few of our lot might go with him of course, RvP, Jack, the kids that joined Arsenal specifically because of Wenger. Theo could ask but I bet Wenger would say no.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think to out-perform this current Barcelona team is almost impossible. If Real Madrid win the league I think it'll be the first time that I've ever seen such a clear example of the best team not winning. People say the 'league table doesn't lie' but if Barca don't win, it will have lied. Mourinho's a prick but he brings results. I used to hate Mourinho but I find it hard to dislike him now. He's a petulant child but if he came to Arsenal (he won't) I think he would thrive with the 'us against the world' mentality. Not saying he'd have the impact Wenger had late 90s but we'd do much better.

But as I said he's not a realistic choice because he'd never want to manage us. My first choice would be Spalletti. My second choice would be that Dortmund manager.

Mourinho wants Utd, doesn't he? But Arsenal as a stop gap while he waits for Ferguson to fuck off is not inconceivable from his point of view. It would be his biggest challenge yet, a team on the slide, the worst board in football, turning that around might appeal to him. All he'd have to do is win one trophy to call it a success and knowing Mourinho that trophy would be the Champions League. What's inconceivable is our board ever allowing it. He's their nightmare in every way.

[Coney]

Mourinho wants Utd, doesn't he? But Arsenal as a stop gap while he waits for Ferguson to fuck off is not inconceivable from his point of view. It would be his biggest challenge yet, a team on the slide, the worst board in football, turning that around might appeal to him. All he'd have to do is win one trophy to call it a success and knowing Mourinho that trophy would be the Champions League. What's inconceivable is our board ever allowing it. He's their nightmare in every way.

For the CL, I'd put up with Moronio's shit. He can fuck off afterwards though.