Wenger must go end of the season

[Kano]

Harry has always been good with players tbf and imo had he been at UTD or a Chavs or with us before spuds he'd have probs won the league ages ago. Wenger is not and has never been a motivator that isthe diffrence and for those who are in doubt the games after the cc final last season will tell you so.

it tells us his current mind state and perhaps inability to motivate right now but you do not win leagues without any idea on how to motivate and manage a group of players, no matter how successful they have been previously. ego's need to be managed, dips in form addressed etc so it was a skill that he clearly had in his repertoire but it has faded, along with a few other key components.

[GP]

Wenger needs to foad tbh.

senile old cheese eating cunt.

[Coney]

Wenger needs to foad tbh.

senile old cheese eating cunt.

tbf, he has done the surrender monkey bit.

[fakeyank]

what does his colour have to do with anything? quite an 'odd' thing to say.

Its a joke..

[fakeyank]

The board are clearly implicit in all this. If they weren't they'd have sacked him years ago. They're clearly happy with what he's doing and that he's kept us top four without spending that much. If they sack him what makes you think the next manager will suddenly be allowed to spend the money he needs to reverse the decline? There are good reasons for sacking Wenger but don't think that when someone new comes in things will inevitably get better. And please don't say they can't get any worse, as frustrating as things are right now we're 5th, still in the FA Cup and won our CL group. As far as we've declined from the invincibles there's far further we could fall.

There is no guarantee the next manager will be an upgrade but there is definite reason there now (as has been for a few years) that AW needs to go. We cannot not take this risk just because AW guarantees us mediocrity. May be the next manager will suck, well then sack that manager too and get someone who will work. We need to look at being the no.1 team in England, not just happy at being 4th.

Having said that, 4th is also getting out of reach for us.. so AW does not even give us that, so whats the excuse for not taking a risk? None tbh!

[fakeyank]

I agree totally.

We have all seen managers, like players, go stale at clubs for reasons other than to do with their latent talent. Whatever AW's merits, and there are many, he no longer seems willing, or able, to take the decisions needed to get the most out of our resources (both financial and playing wise). Both his methods and his ideas certainly seem to have stagnated at AFC.

I think the situation is best summed up by asking whether, in 1996, a younger Wenger would have felt that the power and prestige of clubs like United and Liverpool was a bar to him achieving success at Arsenal? Of course not. And yet the current version likes nothing better than talking about being unable to compete with the likes of Citeh. Yes times have changed and Citeh and the Chavs have taken spending to a new level - but we are talking a mindset, a committment and an ambition here - all traits that seem to have ebbed away a bit from Wenger.

What concerns me most of all is that under Wenger there has, and continues to be, an errosion of expectation and belief around our club. Lose enough times to sub-standard opposition; make enough individual errors; go into game with no plan b, and continue to field struggling or below par players often enough and you lose the winning habit. This is what's happened to us. The opposite is what has happened at United, who can continue to challenge for the title with a team much less talented that they were in their pomp.

There is no guarantee whatsoever that a replacement would do any better, but it seems to me to be an extension of the lack of ambition that many Gooners are accusing the club of to refuse to make a managerial change simply because the alternative might not work out. How far should Wenger take us down the league before we deem the risk of a change to be acceptable?

In any event, setting aside for a moment the financial issues, once we finish outside the top four, and trophyless, is there really that much difference in terms of attracting sponsorship, players, supporters between, say 5th place and 10th? I'd say the likelihood of slipping even further down the league while a new manager finds his feet is fairly remote, given a) the calibre of players that a new manager would have to work with, and b) the fact that even the current owners and board will be motivated to attract someone with a decent reputation, if only to protect their investment. And lets not forget the size of pay packet that AW receives. It stands to reason that a similar sum would be made available to secure a talented successor.

[Niall_Quinn]

There is no guarantee the next manager will be an upgrade but there is definite reason there now (as has been for a few years) that AW needs to go. We cannot not take this risk just because AW guarantees us mediocrity. May be the next manager will suck, well then sack that manager too and get someone who will work. We need to look at being the no.1 team in England, not just happy at being 4th.

Having said that, 4th is also getting out of reach for us.. so AW does not even give us that, so whats the excuse for not taking a risk? None tbh!

If you call changing the radio station while the car is plunging off a cliff a worthwhile risk then Wenger Out!

We'll need to hit the ground and see if we survive. That will probably coincide with Kroenke cashing in and that might be up to 5 years in the future. If nothing is going to change (Kroenke has said it, the board has said it) - and it won't because it's up to the people in charge to change things - then might as well let Wenger see out his contract and then get some eunuch in to wait out the remainder. If Wenger stays we pay him what he's owed, if he goes early we pay him what he's owed plus we pay the new guy? What do you think our board will do then, spend money or save money?

[Power n Glory]

If you call changing the radio station while the car is plunging off a cliff a worthwhile risk then Wenger Out!

We'll need to hit the ground and see if we survive. That will probably coincide with Kroenke cashing in and that might be up to 5 years in the future. If nothing is going to change (Kroenke has said it, the board has said it) - and it won't because it's up to the people in charge to change things - then might as well let Wenger see out his contract and then get some eunuch in to wait out the remainder. If Wenger stays we pay him what he's owed, if he goes early we pay him what he's owed plus we pay the new guy? What do you think our board will do then, spend money or save money?

Newcastle have the same idiot chairman that took them down but good managers have management on the pitch has resulted in their return to the Prem. It doesn't have to take a change in club ownership to swing things around. It didn't take a change in ownership to get us up to this level. It a took a change in management. Why is it the reverse now?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Newcastle have the same idiot chairman that took them down but good managers have management on the pitch has resulted in their return to the Prem. It doesn't have to take a change in club ownership to swing things around. It didn't take a change in ownership to get us up to this level. It a took a change in management. Why is it the reverse now?

Good point, but they have not had to pay off staduim debts and if they don't win stuff their not really pressured too so for them expectations are lower comapred to us lets be really like spurs they overachieved with less pressure.

[Niall_Quinn]

Newcastle have the same idiot chairman that took them down but good managers have management on the pitch has resulted in their return to the Prem. It doesn't have to take a change in club ownership to swing things around. It didn't take a change in ownership to get us up to this level. It a took a change in management. Why is it the reverse now?

Depends what you think the aim of the current shareholder(s) is. If you think they have the footballing interests of the club at heart and can see a middle ground between the finances and the requirements of the team then maybe a managerial change will have an impact. But if they are biased entirely in towards their own financial interests and couldn't give a flying fuck about they club beyond what it can deliver into their own pockets then they already have the best manager in the business for the job they want him to do. Personally I believe actions speak a lot louder than words therefore I conclude a managerial change would make no difference whatsoever, except for that usual bump you get when a new face arrives. Mourinho may be different but the board would hardly hire a guy that might tell them to their face what they are.