Rubbish, play Ox as a wingback and he'd get exposed big time because he has no defensive ability and shouldn't be playing there in the first place. To continue playing him there for years when showing no signs of inprovement is poor management.Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Your talking as is talent trumps everything and doesn't matter where you play but sorry it does in football. Why is the example of Bergkamp and Wright silly? Tell me.
Hence why wenger told him to work on it Ox has to worl on a few things for sure but in 6 years time he will be what theo should be now and better. Theo could go to barca and he still be as poor as he is now, face it mate he is just not that good enough as we all though he be.
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No, talent doesn't trump everything. Lack of talent will kill things pretty fast though (except at Arsenal). Bergkamp and Wright could control a ball, pass a ball, they had footballing brains. They played in positions where they could put that talent to best use. Walcott hasn't showed any signs of developing as a player. He lacks basic skills. You are trying to excuse these inadequacies and suggest they wouldn't be as big a factor if we moved him into a more crucial area. I'm saying why bother doing that when we already have a better player? The thread is titled Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain v Theo Walcott. The answer is self-evident.
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As any of us thought he'd be. The guy has had opportunity after opportunity laid on a plate and failed to take them. I doubt there's a person here who wouldn't want to see what we thought we were going to see from Theo. But that aside, what we're actually seeing from him is way too little to suggest the early hopes are going to pan out. Now he wants a pay rise for failure. Time to open the door for him.
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Key point - they playe in positions where their skills could be best put to use. Okay, they could control a ball, pass, intelligent. Does that make a good winger? Is that all you need?
Why can't Cesc play as a winger? That's all you need right?
too right fella. People can moan all they like about his is not being played in the right posistion etc. When you give him a chance in the centre he don't take it. When he never went to the WC in 2010 he said he work hard to make sure he goes next time, well he won't be at this rate. Lets hope henry can teach him a thing or 2
This is hypothetical. If Ox was played as a right back, would he be any good at it and would it make sense training and playing him in that position when he's so poor in that position and has other skills which would best suit another position?
You keep mentioning players that have at least basic footballing skills. They wouldn't do their best jobs played out of position but they could still contribute. Still hold a ball. Still lay a pass. Still cross a ball. Still beat a man. We just wouldn't be using them to their best effect. With Theo it's very different. He lacks certain basic skills. Why is he going to prosper in a more demanding role? Pace alone? If talent is not the key attribute then why should it be merely pace? Why not just play somebody better than him and be done with it? Two different arguments going ion here. You're saying Theo would be better played elsewhere, I'm saying he's already inferior to Ox so why not ditch him and play Ox? Wing or in the middle, makes no odds. Ox is the better player. All you have to do is watch him play for 5 minutes.
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That's a joke. You think Dennis Bergkamp could contribute a lot as a defensive midfielder or on the flanks with his slow pace? Wrong footing your man and get a yard of space is different to beating your man on the wing and having the legs to get past him then whip in a great cross. It takes more than the basics to be a top four side I'm afraid.
Ox is a special player and has better ball control, passing and dribbling compared to Theo. That is why he's more suited to playing on the wing. But if Wenger had that kid playing as wingback or playing as a defensive midfielder....it would be silly to compare him to someone like Coquelin or Sagna.
Some players are versatile, some ain't. Van Nistelrooy had no flair about him as a striker and play him anywhere else outside of that role and he'd look shit. But what he does, he does well. Not saying Theo can finish anywhere near that level, but if his pace is his best asset, have him playing as a striker in the mold of Defoe, Owen, Welbeck etc. I'd argue the same point if Wenger kept playing Vela on the left wing.
How comes other managers are able to exploit such players but Wenger can't?
On another note, Bergkamp was saying RVP was being played out of position and I agree. He's more than a goal scorer and in games where we struggle and playing off another striker, he'd some damage. He'd create loads and score loads.
Play me in goal then, I'd be shit no matter where I played but I'd be least shit in goal. Or just get a better player than me and save yourself a lot of grief. If you're suggesting we have a hidden Defoe or Wright just waiting to be unleashed then I get where you are coming from. I used to (sort of) think the same. But a couple of seasons on, forget it. Capello couldn't get anything out of Walcott either and now he's talking about bringing Ox in. If that happens then Walcott's England career is over before it really started. And that's a shame but the guy had his chance and couldn't take it. You say give him another chance, change the whole team around for Theo. Why? Because he has pace? Ox has pace too, let's just move on with him because it very much appears there's plenty to be gained from that route. Whereas with Theo, not as much.
That's right, it does.It takes more than the basics to be a top four side I'm afraid.
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