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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    They do but on this occasion Arsenal knew he is coming back from injury, if they were a little bit more circumspect then it possibly wouldn't need Wilshere to tell the truth or not.
    They surely have to rely on the players to give them some feedback though. Wilshere was obviously keen to get out there again, maybe he just over-stretched himself. The fact that Ramsey and Eduardo are playing football at all after their horrible injuries is credit to our medical team. In days of yore they'd never have played again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    They surely have to rely on the players to give them some feedback though. Wilshere was obviously keen to get out there again, maybe he just over-stretched himself. The fact that Ramsey and Eduardo are playing football at all after their horrible injuries is credit to our medical team. In days of yore they'd never have played again
    Scans and more scans would surely show if his foot was in the danger zone or not. Perhaps they just weren't anticipating something like that happening. What you mention about Eduardo and Ramsey is slightly different - horrible injuries though they were (and in Eduardo's case much worse) broken bones take longer to heal (obviously) but eventually bones fuse back together stronger. In any case I don't really want to get bogged down in a compare and contrast with those players because that doesn't really preclude from the possibility of being a mismanagement in Wilshere's case.

    Having said that, they are having more tests for him. Granted it could be after the fact but then, it might not be as bad as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    In any case I don't really want to get bogged down in a compare and contrast with those players because that doesn't really preclude from the possibility of being a mismanagement in Wilshere's case.
    Well no, it doesn't. Just making the point that there are a couple of examples where the medical team did a pretty good job which does preclude them being a load of incompetent idiots. None of us know what's gone on with Wilshere of course or whether different medical staff would have done a better job.

    There clearly is an issue with our injury record. How much of that is down to the medical staff and how much down to over-playing or the type of player Wenger tends to go for (smaller, more technical players who are perhaps more likely to get clobbered) and how much down to just plain back luck we can't really know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Well no, it doesn't. Just making the point that there are a couple of examples where the medical team did a pretty good job which does preclude them being a load of incompetent idiots. None of us know what's gone on with Wilshere of course or whether different medical staff would have done a better job.

    There clearly is an issue with our injury record. How much of that is down to the medical staff and how much down to over-playing or the type of player Wenger tends to go for (smaller, more technical players who are perhaps more likely to get clobbered) and how much down to just plain back luck we can't really know.
    Unfortunately those examples are 2008 and 2010 respectively and with (barring permanent disability) the worst injuries a footballer can get. What am I saying is, they've done well when it comes to those heightened injuries which though horrible are rare (after they've had surgery elsewhere of course) but the ones where it might be more 'common' wear and tear, it's an area we're quite possibly lacking in.

    None of us know for sure of course but then that's the case for nearly everything that happens in football, politics whatever. I'm making the 'judgement' on what I can see; I could be wrong, I could be completely wrong but my intuition tells me that I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Unfortunately those examples are 2008 and 2010 respectively and with (barring permanent disability) the worst injuries a footballer can get. What am I saying is, they've done well when it comes to those heightened injuries which though horrible are rare (after they've had surgery elsewhere of course) but the ones where it might be more 'common' wear and tear, it's an area we're quite possibly lacking in.
    No doubt about it. If I wasn't so lazy (and even geekier than I am now) I'd track down a list of proposed comeback dates at time of injury and actual comeback date. Actually, I tried it once but gave up. We are consistently topping the injury table and while some of it may be bad luck, some of it clearly isn't. What I want to know is why there isn't enough talk about this. The manager has to answer to a shit substitution and tactical failings on the pitch - but why is he never asked the question of injuries? Instead he keeps using it as an excuse to suggest things will pick up ("We still have x,y,z to come back from injury..." etc.).

    Not enough weight is being put on The no. 1 problem at the club™ and we need to drum up some interest. I'll get started on the powerpoint presentation, you sort out the flyers.

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