Not a completely mad idea.Andres Villas-Boas
Moyes though, has he really worked wonders at Everton or is that just bias in favour of British managers in the media?
Not a completely mad idea.Andres Villas-Boas
Moyes though, has he really worked wonders at Everton or is that just bias in favour of British managers in the media?
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We've had a change at Board level but the results and actions on the pitch haven't changed. Wenger's arrival propelled us to new heights, not a change at Board level and it doesn't seem right to suggest the revere is required to change things around.
Listening to the Le Grove podcast, I understand that the Board took the same back-seat approach with Graham but fired him when he finished 5th and his stock was low with the fans. Could be the same again. Maybe he should have been sacked years ago is probably true, but this is the only season I can remember where so many people are in favour of Wenger going and two or three years ago, people were still willing to give him a job for life. Even now, there are still fans reluctant to say that he should go. If the Board had fired him earlier and we struggled in the league for a while with the new manager, people would have still blamed the board.
Expecting instant success after Wenger is something we're going to have to put into perspective. Our team needs work and the longer Wenger stays, the worse it will get. He's going to leave us with nothing at this rate and the next manager will inherit damaged goods.
I wish you wouldn't listen to the podcast mateOriginally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Graham got sacked for taking bungs.
We have had a change at board level, but that has been facilitated by the scramble to cash in on shares, ally themselves to the most lucrative deal going, and position each of them in an un-obligated role as possible.
It is also a lockdown, and we won't know the true outcome at board level until Stan moves in properly.
Perhaps Wenger is custodian. We were all unsure, Wenger himself, as to whether he'd stay on two years back. Maybe he's doing what Stan wants him to do, and the board are towing his line too, until this massive change happens?
We don't know! And nor does fucking Alex Fynn!!!!!
what we all need, is some assurance....and this is Stans first mistake. He's taking us for punters at the moment, not fans. Until he show's his hand, we're stuck in a vicious circle. The quicker we know (as NQ suggested earlier), the better all round.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
I wish you wouldn't listen to the podcast mate
Graham got sacked for taking bungs.
We have had a change at board level, but that has been facilitated by the scramble to cash in on shares, ally themselves to the most lucrative deal going, and position each of them in an un-obligated role as possible.
It is also a lockdown, and we won't know the true outcome at board level until Stan moves in properly.
Perhaps Wenger is custodian. We were all unsure, Wenger himself, as to whether he'd stay on two years back. Maybe he's doing what Stan wants him to do, and the board are towing his line too, until this massive change happens?
We don't know! And nor does fucking Alex Fynn!!!!!
what we all need, is some assurance....and this is Stans first mistake. He's taking us for punters at the moment, not fans. Until he show's his hand, we're stuck in a vicious circle. The quicker we know (as NQ suggested earlier), the better all round.
There is a real reluctance on here to accept that Wenger’s old methods aren’t working anymore and that’s why I’m always suspicious of this Board talk. Besides the Podcast, I’ve always heard that the Board leave managers to get on with the job and don’t interfere. That’s something Wenger himself has said and why he likes it here. The last proper run English club was the tagline a few seasons ago.
I’m aware of GG taking bungs, but it coincided with his lowest league position and although too young to remember, his stock was low with the fans. An older head could properly elaborate on that. The point it, Wenger has a legacy here and it’s very hard to let that go as seen with so many debates on here.
People suggesting that it will take a change at the top are ignoring the fact that it took a change of manager to get us here in the first place.
With Alex Fynn...I don’t think he has said anything new. When Dein left, Wenger admitted that he was handling parts of that role as well as the daily management stuff. We all know that he’s reluctant to change his back staff. It was a good listen. If it’s all fabrication it will come out eventually.
With a tight budget yes, we never know what he could have done with top dolla behind him tbh
The reluctance is to allow those who are officially in control of the club (and who have profited massively when all else was going to shit) to avoid taking the responsibility that is inherent to their privileged positions. Should they just take all the money and walk, leaving Wenger to carry the entire blame? I don't see that as acceptable in any way, regardless of Wenger's own failing whic nobody denies. If we're going to have a clear out then let's ensure it's a proper one.
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I don't think there is a reluctance to accept it at all. We all know it's fucked. We all know he's made mistakes, and I don't hink there is one person on this MB that thinks otherwise.
Some are more sentimental, yes, and rightly so. He's provided us with football and trophies some clubs can only ever dream of.
Nobody is denying that something needs to happen either. But when you're talking about a 500 million + business, you can be sure as shit there's more to it than Wenger fucking up on the pitch.
We don't know the full story, and yet people still want to rush into rash changes, because that's what we do as football fans.
I don't want to continually see the shite that has befallen this great club; I live and breath every moment of a match, sing my fucking lungs out and shake and shiver with nerves when kick off comes.
But I don't want to just dismiss Wenger, employ David Fucking Moyes, and see us blunder into an oblivion that is even harder to get out of than the current trough.
I want us to put football first for a change, and to me, that require the owners to kick that process off. Not make a rash change for changes sake, and then have a revamp again when it all goes bust.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
You can say the same about Wenger! We don't have top dollar - that's the problem.
When we sign a player from Everton, and they have to take a pay cut to join us, you know we're fucked.
You really should stop paying for games in that case. In fact, I wouldn’t go to games full stop if I felt like that. Most owners have shady motives. Also, you’d have no problem paying the current price if we were winning titles but still had this youth policy, designed to maximise profit. The resentment and anger is a result of what’s happening on the pitch. If we were winning, it wouldn’t be an issue.
You're forgetting that football is a drug.
And that's what the bastards in charge know all too well.
(I'm not going to buy a pie this week though)
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
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