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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    I dont need to go to 100 games to know that Arsenal fans are not vocal for the most part. Emirates sounded just like how it sounded on tv- quite! My question or concern is really simple- would you or letters or ldg (ppl I know who go to games) make an effort to take a banner saying "where is my club going? Arsene, phw, stan... Someone give me an answer!" This does not mean not supporting the team... Support anyone in an arsenal shirt giving 100%. The players need the support no matter how talentless they are...
    No.

    Because that is idiotic.

    And another thing, I've been to many grounds and it is always the same....the away fans, fan for fan, including Arsenal fans ALWAYS make more noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    I understand that football is expensive especially for many locals. What I am questioning is the 60000 fans that go to the ground. No one is asking for egypt style riots... How about being vocal about it in a game, banners? Every educated man and uneducated man can do that. Why is protesting against the club being run the way it is, considered bad?
    Having said that, Arsene and his mugs have their time up IMO.. This small protest in bburn match will grow if as expectedly our team plays the way they have been playing.
    I just dont see the protests happening, since I have been a fan and I have seen some pretty bad teams (arguably worse than the current one) I have not seen hardly any opens shows of discontentment!

    Actually I cant recall the kind of booing we are getting at the moment, Eboue got some stick before getting sibbed for his own protrction but no mass protest againdt the club - please feel free to correct me on this, as I dont claim to have been to every game on the last 30 odd years!

    But unfurling banners of hate, wearing t shirts, burning seats or bring back the dunking chair? Not sure mate

    Arsenal has usually kept its business under wraps, which may or may not be the best way depending on the situation and I think the fans follow that lead. But the boos are the first sign that thefans are looking for a way to voice their feelings. . .whether we go to the extremes you have mentioned waits to be seen. . .

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    Apparently the fans are taking bin liners.

    That'll show the club we mean business

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    I dont need to go to 100 games to know that Arsenal fans are not vocal for the most part. Emirates sounded just like how it sounded on tv- quite! My question or concern is really simple- would you or letters or ldg (ppl I know who go to games) make an effort to take a banner saying "where is my club going? Arsene, phw, stan... Someone give me an answer!" This does not mean not supporting the team... Support anyone in an arsenal shirt giving 100%. The players need the support no matter how talentless they are...
    Arsenal fans are quite what?

    Oh quiet I think they were just stunned into to silence by your face tbh.

    Certain patches of the ground are noisier than others, I wouldn't say we were any quieter than any other home fans compared to away matches I've been too. If the team can't be arsed it coveys to the crowd, we're not there to be cheerleaders but when we are behind I can't fault the fans for effort in trying to raise the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    No.

    Because that is idiotic.

    And another thing, I've been to many grounds and it is always the same....the away fans, fan for fan, including Arsenal fans ALWAYS make more noise.
    Why is that idiotic when that is the same question you asked in this thread? Sure NQ, PnG will come with their own theories but no one knows whats going on other than AW n his bum chums.. What is wrong in asking that qs at a match? Whats the point of making this noise on a mb when no one is ready to stand for it in real life?

    As for noise in stadiums, i have been to a few myself and found arsenal fans to be the quitest. May be I came to watch small games against chelsea n city. I think it will be louder when we play teams of our standard- fulham, west brom etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over View Post
    I just dont see the protests happening, since I have been a fan and I have seen some pretty bad teams (arguably worse than the current one) I have not seen hardly any opens shows of discontentment!

    Actually I cant recall the kind of booing we are getting at the moment, Eboue got some stick before getting sibbed for his own protrction but no mass protest againdt the club - please feel free to correct me on this, as I dont claim to have been to every game on the last 30 odd years!

    But unfurling banners of hate, wearing t shirts, burning seats or bring back the dunking chair? Not sure mate

    Arsenal has usually kept its business under wraps, which may or may not be the best way depending on the situation and I think the fans follow that lead. But the boos are the first sign that thefans are looking for a way to voice their feelings. . .whether we go to the extremes you have mentioned waits to be seen. . .
    The discontent is because we have the potential, at least on paper to be among the top teams in Europe. We are supposed to have this awesome stadium generating millions, paying the highest ticket prices to watch mid table footballers playing crap football. In 1992-93, Arsenal fans were in highbury paying prices that were not over the top.. Thats why there was no protest.

    Like I said earlier in a post, I do see this initial protest against bburn turning into something big.. For Allahs sake, I hope it does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Injury Time View Post
    Arsenal fans are quite what?

    Oh quiet I think they were just stunned into to silence by your face tbh.

    Certain patches of the ground are noisier than others, I wouldn't say we were any quieter than any other home fans compared to away matches I've been too. If the team can't be arsed it coveys to the crowd, we're not there to be cheerleaders but when we are behind I can't fault the fans for effort in trying to raise the team.
    Exactly.. The 'I dont give a fuck' attitude is not just of the players. Its the fans, players, arsene, tea lady etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    Why is that idiotic when that is the same question you asked in this thread? Sure NQ, PnG will come with their own theories but no one knows whats going on other than AW n his bum chums.. What is wrong in asking that qs at a match? Whats the point of making this noise on a mb when no one is ready to stand for it in real life?

    As for noise in stadiums, i have been to a few myself and found arsenal fans to be the quitest. May be I came to watch small games against chelsea n city. I think it will be louder when we play teams of our standard- fulham, west brom etc
    Have you considered the quality on offer on those days? You saw some shitty matches.

    And as for your point in bold, you are too hyper and too quick to judge, which is why you often jump to wrong conclusions. Try to be more considered. And by that, I don't mean considered in the heat of the moment, such as immediately following a loss or watching shit play, because that is when emotions can and do run wild. But there is no excuse for a lack of a considered approach days after a game.

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    This afternoon I was contacted by a member of your staff, (Marco, I think) who informed me that my membership had lapsed and asked if I wanted to renew. I didn't and was asked why. As I was at work I fobbed him off by saying, "money's tight".

    I thought it better now to inform you that the reason I gave Marco was in no way the full story. The main reason I am not renewing is because I don't like the direction the Club is heading and have not done so for some time now. The lack of investment in playing staff and the repetition of the same mistakes season after season with no apparent material effort being made to address them are much bigger factors in my reason not to renew.

    I'd explain what the same mistakes are and the excuses offered by the Club over and over again are, but that would just be insulting your intelligence. You know what the problems are - everyone does, but nothing is ever done to address them.

    We (the fans) are being told repeatedly, that the funds are there to address weaknesses in the team. Yet no investment is made by the Club. The only people required to increase investment are the fans of the Club - to the tune of 6.5%. And for what? To see the same failures, the same weaknesses that will produce the same results.

    This in no way implies that I think that the Club needs to spend ridiculous amounts on players. There are all sorts of points between the stupid amounts Man City spends and the parsimonious approach that our Club takes. If the fans are required to invest more, then so should Arsene Wenger be required to do so by the Board.

    If fans show their displeasure at matches, and there is much to be frustrated about, we get critisised by Peter Hill-Wood and Arsene Wenger as if we are ungrateful Phillistines who don't realise how good we have it. While I agree some of the fan reaction may have been counter-productive during matches, I fail to see how people within the Club cannot understand it. Quite frankly, I'm amazed at the disconnection between the people running our Club and us, the fans. I place the blame squarely for this at the hands of the Club.

    I'm not going to matches to be negative, I can't do that. But what other way is there to show the Club my displeasure? So I am demonstating my displeasure with my wallet. I'm not investing any more in this team until you do so - either investing in playing staff and/or coaching staff that can address the deficiencies that we have all been aware of for the last six years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    Have you considered the quality on offer on those days? You saw some shitty matches.

    And as for your point in bold, you are too hyper and too quick to judge, which is why you often jump to wrong conclusions. Try to be more considered. And by that, I don't mean considered in the heat of the moment, such as immediately following a loss or watching shit play, because that is when emotions can and do run wild. But there is no excuse for a lack of a considered approach days after a game.



    I make my point when appropriate and I get behind the team.
    I remember that email and I was really happy that a frequent match goer like you did that.. Now I am sure a fair amount of fans mustve sent an email voicing the same concerns but did it get aired on tv or in the news? No! I bet those emails dont even make it to the right guys. Banners, bin liners, tshirts (yes tshirts) are visible and put the right ppl under pressure.
    As for getting behind the team, I think every fan does and should do that... Protesting against the way the club is run should not be misconstrued as not getting behind the team.

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