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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    Why did he give into the player? If he was firm in what he said, he shouldve stood his ground... the board wouldve backed Arsene. Problem with AW is that he is a father figure who caves into his childs wishes.. be a man FFS and tell the player to STFU or be on the bench. Arsenal is bigger than your whinging childhood club and your sad little spanish face!
    The player was unhappy and wanted to go, no point keeping an uhappy player no matter what, all that lets put him the the reserves or bench him, never happens. I doubt AW wanted him to leave and maybe was too soft but had we kept him this would have gone on and on and on nad its not healthy for the squad.

    If the board had backbone and thought their way was right, they have said he can't go regardless of what wenger said. And given him an ultimatim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    The player was unhappy and wanted to go, no point keeping an uhappy player no matter what, all that lets put him the the reserves or bench him, never happens. I doubt AW wanted him to leave and maybe was too soft but had we kept him this would have gone on and on and on nad its not healthy for the squad.

    If the board had backbone and thought their way was right, they have said he can't go regardless of what wenger said. And given him an ultimatim.
    Well the board was ready to hold on, they gave in because AW wanted them to. What does this tell you? AW is a very powerful man at the club. All this posts which make him seem like a stupid cow caving into the board holding his balls regarding money is BS!

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    Wenger's statements are generally very intelligently placed as messages for the board,authorities etc. It is generally not meant for fan consumption. This could very well be a message for the board asking more money to be spent. The board on its part is not running away with profits, at least not a large chunk. If you look at the financial statements released last fiscal, the net debts have come down to 90 odd mil, and cash reserves have gone up to 130 odd mil, which at the worst is conservative, with the board insisting on having reserves to counter long term debts. However the issue seems to be that we are not able to keep hold of players who are being developed into world class (reluctance to pay), nor are we able to replace them (reluctance/inability to pay high transfer fee), a fact is growing uncomfortable with. Looks like the board requires the money form sales and saved wages by selling former first teamers who are on loan or not being used much, before they go for the more ambitious buys which Wenger wants. Unfortunately we have a long list of such players.

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    Embarrassing stuff. No point in dismissing the Cesc quote. Do you really think Wenger would allow Cesc to be sold without his say so?

    Good article posted up by Ice Berg Slim. The clue is in our wage bill. It shows that we mismanage funds and gamble on kids way too much. If the Board are happy to release funds for Wenger's pet project then I'm sure they wouldn't object to a change in strategy. What we're doing is costly and soon it will catch up to us. Wenger needs to return to his old philosophy and find undervalued players. His vision of a youth team isn't working and is costing us on the pitch and financially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Embarrassing stuff. No point in dismissing the Cesc quote. Do you really think Wenger would allow Cesc to be sold without his say so?

    Good article posted up by Ice Berg Slim. The clue is in our wage bill. It shows that we mismanage funds and gamble on kids way too much. If the Board are happy to release funds for Wenger's pet project then I'm sure they wouldn't object to a change in strategy. What we're doing is costly and soon it will catch up to us. Wenger needs to return to his old philosophy and find undervalued players. His vision of a youth team isn't working and is costing us on the pitch and financially.
    I agree with the point about wanting Wenger to go back to his unearthing of undervalued/dissatisfied talent ala Henry and Viera (almost off the radar when AW picked them up) but these days even those come at a cost, just came off the transfer thread and adding how Sturridge would be a good buy, and I know he is a little bit more spotlight than Henry or Viera were but if rumours are to be believed he kind of fits the description!!!

    However he would cost a fair whack and wages on top would scare us off.....Wenger/the board do not have that sense of risk - hell the original post says were the priorities still ride!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over View Post
    I agree with the point about wanting Wenger to go back to his unearthing of undervalued/dissatisfied talent ala Henry and Viera (almost off the radar when AW picked them up) but these days even those come at a cost, just came off the transfer thread and adding how Sturridge would be a good buy, and I know he is a little bit more spotlight than Henry or Viera were but if rumours are to be believed he kind of fits the description!!!

    However he would cost a fair whack and wages on top would scare us off.....Wenger/the board do not have that sense of risk - hell the original post says were the priorities still ride!!!
    Don't think he is on big wages at chavs though. Im sure once we sell Arshavin/NB/Vela/Denilson, we should have money for wages and transfers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over View Post
    I agree with the point about wanting Wenger to go back to his unearthing of undervalued/dissatisfied talent ala Henry and Viera (almost off the radar when AW picked them up) but these days even those come at a cost, just came off the transfer thread and adding how Sturridge would be a good buy, and I know he is a little bit more spotlight than Henry or Viera were but if rumours are to be believed he kind of fits the description!!!

    However he would cost a fair whack and wages on top would scare us off.....Wenger/the board do not have that sense of risk - hell the original post says were the priorities still ride!!!

    What they are doing now seems really risky. I just can’t understand how someone can look at the squad and then look at the wage bill then think we’re getting value for money. This is why I hold Wenger responsible because he must be telling someone up there that these players are worth such wages. He has the technical knowledge and he’s telling everyone that these guys will be world beaters. People must believe him and agree to stump up the cash, but it’s bloody risky to bank on a kid with no experience. It’s all based on talent and potential.

    With his old method, when scouting a player, at least he’d have more info to work with. The stats could hold up at least. But with these kids, we’re going on a few games at reserve or youth team level. It’s a bigger risk imo. We have the 4th highest wage bill in the league. Once they start seeing the wage bill in comparison to our league position, the pen pushers will probably start asking the right sorts of questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    We have the 4th highest wage bill in the league. Once they start seeing the wage bill in comparison to our league position, the pen pushers will probably start asking the right sorts of questions.
    studies have shown that wage bills usually correlate to league position, which at current spend is pretty spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    Well the board was ready to hold on, they gave in because AW wanted them to. What does this tell you? AW is a very powerful man at the club. All this posts which make him seem like a stupid cow caving into the board holding his balls regarding money is BS!
    Oh deah, so our board who employ the manager have less power then him, ok then, all it says to me is the board were happy to let cesc go after all they made their profit, ok they never got as much s they have liked but still knew that they would only be giving AW a small amountof that money for transfers.

    How is it that arry can say to leavy that maybe they should let luka go, But Leavy was able to put his foot down and our board were not. Bunch of pussy's thats why. If they can't take on the manager as you say then they really need need GTFO our club now.

    I agree Wenger should have had more backbone with cesc no denying that, but the board should have been more firm with him end off.

    Wenger would have known letting fab go for a small price,would have meant him not having a big amout to spend on new transfers last summer, he took that gamble and it has not worked. However don't think PHW and his mates were too upset over it as most the money went in their pockets.
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