Arsene to "rise above" fan nonsense

[Coney]

I'm sorry but there comes a point when people are taking the p*ss out of you that if you have an ounce of intelligence you react to that.

So when will you react?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Da

Da da da.

[Özim]

So when will you react?

I'm waiting for the full moon.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'm sorry but there comes a point when people are taking the p*ss out of you that if you have an ounce of intelligence you react to that. Fans won't keep turning up if things continue, regardless of the love for the club, money doesn't grow on trees.

Fans will still go regardless, it may not be the current fans but a new bunch, and the TPTB know it,our waiting lists are full so even if we lost a full fans the they know numbers can be made up.

[Coney]

I'm waiting for the full moon.

[Özim]

Fans will still go regardless, it may not be the current fans but a new bunch, and the TPTB know it,our waiting lists are full so even if we lost a full fans the they know numbers can be made up.

Waiting lists disappear quickly especially when the prices are that high and you're delivering sh*t on the pitch and achieving nothing. Fans of other clubs have made a stand before successfully, people power is very effective.

It's getting much easier to get tickets these days what does that tell you?

[IBK]

There is an issue of scale and level of commercialisation here. Those who theorise about hyperreality provide examples of what it is...disneyland being a common example. But between Disneyland and taking your kid to the park to have a go at the swings there is a middle ground. Where the relationship between fans and a sporting club lie on that scale is hard to know really. The more removed one is from the actual preparation and putting on an event/spectacle and the more one is a consumer held at arm's length, the more it looks like a hyperreality. As you suggest there are also other things to weigh up - tradition, history, tribalism/regionalism etc. There are a lot of different elements and there really isn't a simple answer nor is it simple to unravel the relationship/dialogue that goes on between a saint/demogogue/icon/sports star/sports club, etc and their adherents.

The only reason I threw that concept out there was to provide counterbalance to the perspective that we, the fans, are somehow at the centre of it all and should have, or have a right to have, a say about how things go. We are not unimportant but by the same token, we are not all important either. And while we are essentially consumers and choose to be so, although we'd not necessarily characterise it as such, most of us also do have a real emotional investment. Having said that I also have real emotional investment in some books, video games, films etc.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

@ Jam Persie

It's clear we're not going to get close to any form of understanding with this back and forth as we clearly see the world in different ways. Appreciating that allows me to recognise the honesty in your stance so I'll leave it at that (also not hindered by your posts being a completely depressing motherf****r)

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Waiting lists disappear quickly especially when the prices are that high and you're delivering sh*t on the pitch and achieving nothing. Fans of other clubs have made a stand before successfully, people power is very effective.

It's getting much easier to get tickets these days what does that tell you?

Few fans are upset, nothing the club can handle, so as we win a cup or start playing beautiful footie again, it will be much harder to go to games.

[fakeyank]

Few fans are upset, nothing the club can handle, so as we win a cup or start playing beautiful footie again, it will be much harder to go to games.

Under Vinegar, we are not going to win anything.. might get back to playing a better version of the tippy tappy bollocks but even thats not going to bring the fans back..