When's the last time you've been this pessimistic before a game?

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Fact of the matter is Verm was never good enough to be a consistent 1st teamer, something which the captain band has now mandated.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We haven't won anything as he changed the style of play to this stupid tippy tappy cr*p, starting .

Yeah thats why we have not won things cause of the football we play

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not really, you mentioned winning the next game, I pointed out that after Norwich we lost another game...and that was on the back of a defeat by Chelsea not so long before as well...so there you go it seems they don't care

Read my post again, never mentiond the norwich game. But they use what you want to suit your argument.

Well if they win the next game who cares, every game is diffrent. So because they never chased the ball down but won the game they should be ashamed of themselves.

Was not talking about the Norwich game was talking about in general, but only you could twist it into something else.

[Özim]

It's certainly one of the reasons, only Barca can pull it off and they are a million miles better than us....and even they struggle against teams like Chelsea who are organised defensively.

If you analyse things, we had a winning formula, with the style, type of players etc etc and Wenger changed everything to almost the polar opposite...on that basis he looks a bit of a tool right now.

[Özim]

Read my post again, never mentiond the norwich game. But they use what you want to suit your argument.

You mentioned the next game but I was pointing out an example of this where we didn't react. Who cares if you mention the Norwich game, we didn't lose our last match so your point is pointless basically.

As for winning our next game, highly unlikely I'd say.

[Özim]

Was not talking about the Norwich game was talking about in general, but only you could twist it into something else.

In general we react badly to defeat and lose or draw further games after this so your point is incorrect.

We never react to defeats by trying harder, if anything we go missing even more.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We don't win things because we don't have top draw players. I'll give you that, you'll be biased to tippy tappy, cause you hate when Barca do it you said as much. And if you don't like it fair play its your point. i agree its not the most exciting to watch.

We don't win, becuase yeah Wenger gets his tactics wrong alot of the time, or puts players like Gev up top when he is not a striker.

Way i see it, it don't matter what formation you play, if you don't have the players, it won't work anyways. Teams like City and Real can play 442 they have the players to do it. So it works for them. I agree AW is stubborn and likes to do things his way.

I don't mind 433 when you have the right players to do it and i think Barca play the best football in the world, but as you saw, in the CL last season its not always effective. But people like Cryuff and Wenger will insist on it cause they love it.

Heck Cryuff said he'd rather lose with it, then win with something else.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

We don't win things because we don't have top draw players. I'll give you that, you'll be biased to tippy tappy, cause you hate when Barca do it you said as much. And if you don't like it fair play its your point. i agree its not the most exciting to watch.

We don't win, becuase yeah Wenger gets his tactics wrong alot of the time, or puts players like Gev up top when he is not a striker.

Way i see it, it don't matter what formation you play, if you don't have the players, it won't work anyways. Teams like City and Real can play 442 they have the players to do it. So it works for them. I agree AW is stubborn and likes to do things his way.

I don't mind 433 when you have the right players to do it and i think Barca play the best football in the world, but as you saw, in the CL last season its not always effective. But people like Cryuff and Wenger will insist on it cause they love it.

Heck Cryuff said he'd rather lose with it, then win with something else.

Got a feeling that NQ has hacked Charlie's account

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Got a feeling that NQ has hacked Charlie's account

NQ, Top, poster, Legend, Leader.

[Ernesto]

If we can grab a draw at Man City, and give a good account of ourselves, then we can do the same at Old Trafford. They're inferior to Man City.

The major problem is the game-raising ability of Manchester United. They always seem to do it against it. I'm not knocking it, not by any means, but if we're expecting a sleepy, off-the-boil Manchester United as they were against Spurs earlier this season, then I think we're in for yet another rude awakening.

Marry that up with the RVC factor, who'll undoubtedly want to do well against his former club, and it's easy to be filled with trepidation....