We don't win things because we don't have top draw players. I'll give you that, you'll be biased to tippy tappy, cause you hate when Barca do it you said as much. And if you don't like it fair play its your point. i agree its not the most exciting to watch.

We don't win, becuase yeah Wenger gets his tactics wrong alot of the time, or puts players like Gev up top when he is not a striker.

Way i see it, it don't matter what formation you play, if you don't have the players, it won't work anyways. Teams like City and Real can play 442 they have the players to do it. So it works for them. I agree AW is stubborn and likes to do things his way.

I don't mind 433 when you have the right players to do it and i think Barca play the best football in the world, but as you saw, in the CL last season its not always effective. But people like Cryuff and Wenger will insist on it cause they love it.

Heck Cryuff said he'd rather lose with it, then win with something else.