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    A week???!?!?!?

    I barely make that in a year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    Wenger is on £7m a week?
    Thats £364M a year no wonder we have no money left on tranfers and only buy kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    These guys are in their 70s and at retirement age. How can they tell Wenger about youth development? You've seen Wenger's prickly response to former players and ex managers when it comes to this sort of thing. He points to their credentials and talks as if their opinion isn't valid because they're experience doesn't measure up to his. I don't think PHW could walk on to the training field and make such an assessment about a players valuation. Wenger would just fire back and say he's been in this business for years and talk about the age of which a player physically and mentally matures in football (23) and justify why he's worth the wages.

    You heard the talk about why RVP may not be worth a huge wage increase when he's approaching 30. He makes it all sound so scientific and precise. He puts forward a good argument and I doubt these guys could fire back with anything that would change his opinion. Plus, I still think they're all in awe of the man. We all used to get excited about Wenger's young players at a point and still do to an extent. Denilson looked like a fucking world beater when he first arrived. Diaby looked like the second coming of Vieira. Theo Walcott was tipped to be the next Henry! Shit, even Eboue had a moment where he looked like was top draw. We'd never predict in a few years that they'd turn to total shit. Heck, people had Song written off as a waste of space some years back and he's turned into a very good player and underrated on here. With youth players, it's a total gamble but Wenger makes it look like sure thing and people believed him. I can't fault the Board for thinking this guy would turn shit into gold. We all believed at one point.

    Wenger is the expert in all this and gets paid well for his expert opinion. They shouldn't have to second guess him when it comes to the valuation of a player. The only way they'll know that he's getting it wrong is through long term results. Took a while for the fans to catch on to his pipe dream because the players he hallmarked as world beaters at 16/18 were still shit in their early 20's or couldn't even make it into the first team. He's had everyone focusing on the future, the future and in 3/4 years time, blah blah blah.....that time has come now and we're still not where he said we'd be. For us fans that watch every single game and scrutinise performances on the pitch, we've finally seen the pattern over the past 3 or 4 seasons. We had to hold up what we were seeing on the field against his words and talk about the future (2% away) to realise that it wasn't going to plan.

    For the Board, I guess they'll see the pattern when our league position, wage bill and attendance figures start going up and down. He's very philosophical when comes to losing and always has an excuse. He could probably explain away the loses and results by pointing to City and co, the bad guys with more money than us and that sort of argument flips the attention right on to the Board. Instead of focusing on the results, they're planning trips to Asia and Nigeria, looking at ways to increase revenue without looking at the bloody results on the pitch and the manner in which we lose these days. Would be nice if they'd paid attention to football like Dein did, but how many CEO types do that in football with the managers backing? Wenger respected Dein and his opinion before joining Arsenal and I don't think he'd take advice from many other outside influences. He's had the same team together for years and won't even take Keown, Adams or Vieira on under his wing. I suspect they'd clash over what needs to be done in training. He's too stuck in his ways and it's his flaw. The Board will have to grow some balls and fire him. That's the one thing I will hold them accountable for. If they keep him in this job for too long after seeing all this then they're complete morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    that is a dam good post PG, i agree with most of it. the thing is, yes wenger knows about football more then the board, but surely the board can see if a player is or isnt good enough. they control the money surely, so they could turn round and go well we agree he could be good but he has to score x amount of goals, or provide x amount of assists between now and end of season to get a new contract. wenger tells that to the player and he performs, if he doenst we get rid. hill wood has been in football for years and surely can tell if a player if playing well or not, if not then what the fuck is he doing running a football club. there is no one on the board you think knows about football, that was the great thing about dien but surely somone must understand something about and can tell if a player is playing well or not. otherwise i agree with your points, though ssaying that wenger has said more and more there are no excuses, look at the milan interview. glad he said what he said.

    also point on diaby, i feel sorry the guy, thought he would be great, and he can be but can be utter shit too, i think he would have been imense if that **** smith hadnt fucked his ankle
    I would like to think someone up there could put two and two together, but us fans are only just starting to draw a line under this. A lot of us have said we're prepared to give Wenger another year and I've even said it myself after the summer transfer window. But after this season, I just don't see the point because we're always going to be 2% away under Wenger. There will always be a Diaby, Denilson and Vela. We're seeing it now with Coquelin, Wilshere and Ox. They look amazing now and you'd want to see them grow under Wenger, but they could just as easily end up like the flops or players that leave before their time and by that time, I'm sure RVP's son will be on the verge of signing a professional contract with us.

    His time will come because people soon start to notice the pattern with people that are able to sell a dream but never delivery on the promise. They have to focus on the current results and forget the young players he has coming through or has hopes of becoming a star. That's what we've had to do. As for any of them being able to say what a players worth, that's a tough one. If Wenger believes a player is going to be a star, how can you really challenge him on. With young players it's very difficult. Denilson, Diaby, Bendy and Theo split fans right down the middle. Some of us think they should be written off and others think they need more time. If Wenger thinks they'll be world beaters at 23 years old and you just have to trust his judgement and wait until the kid reaches that age. That's happened now and we're seeing the cull. But these guys showed promise when they were in their teens and we all thought we had Cesc clones on the conveyor belt. That's how our youth system was described at one point, or it's how I perceived it some years back.

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    i think we need a change but i will keep wenger for naother year, give him money and tell him to fucking spend it. i would get rid of pat rice though, bring in a new person. that should help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    i think we need a change but i will keep wenger for naother year, give him money and tell him to fucking spend it. i would get rid of pat rice though, bring in a new person. that should help.
    He's leaving anyways come end of the season, so a new no 2 is needed. Step up Steve Bould. We need a younger man who can relate with the players be their go to guy if you like.

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    I wouldn't trust him with more money. They should just lay it on the line for him and say that they have his full backing with whatever he needs and see what he does. Let him know that their patience is running and this is his last shot and that they're considering their options. If he wants a change in staff or money to spend class players, fine. But they shouldn't tell him what he has to do and I get the feeling he'd continue doing what he's always done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I wouldn't trust him with more money. They should just lay it on the line for him and say that they have his full backing with whatever he needs and see what he does. Let him know that their patience is running and this is his last shot and that they're considering their options. If he wants a change in staff or money to spend class players, fine. But they shouldn't tell him what he has to do and I get the feeling he'd continue doing what he's always done.
    Thats should be the Ultimatium he gets in the summer do it this way or your out, and if he disagrees with then either he resigns or they sack him end off.

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    I find it funny that we don't pay more to keep our best players when dead wood is earning alot already.
    Benayoun - 70k
    Walcott - 70k
    Almunia - 60k
    Squillaci- 60k
    Bendtner - 52k
    Vela - 50k
    Djourou - 50k
    Chamakh - 50k
    Ramsey - 50k
    Diaby - ???

    Added to this, the shitty signings like Silvestre each year dont help much. Playing Silvestre at Nou Camp when we got smashed ? What a stupid position we've been in over the years and only Wenger is to blame for this.
    Last edited by Munchies; 25-02-2012 at 06:57 PM.

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    http://www.arsenalinsider.com/4494/r...ng-paypackets/

    Looking at the wage bill makes me want to cry. I find it hard to justify any of those wages for players who have won nothing at club level, nothing internationally and have earned zero personal accoloades for themselves in their career. Ok we are probably getting value for money with Oxlade and Szczesny salaries but the fact they haven't won anything nor been at the club long enough can't be overlooked. Man, football looks empty.

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