Wenger Out?

[Alpha]

If only a season was 28 games long we'd be sorted then!

But we are much closer than those who get outrun from day one . At least we have some excuses and no one can count us out before April except this season .

[Syn]

If we finish 10 points above Chelsea or Tottenham from now, would we not say they were a threat for 3rd/4th place? In 08/09 many of us were bricking it when Villa were clear of us. We bought Arshavin and ended up finishing 10 points above them. Were they not challengers for 4th that season?

Come on, lets not take the self-loathing too far. Some seasons - like this one - we're obviously nowhere near being title challengers. But in 09-10, and 10-11, I think you could say we were challenging for the title but, typically, couldn't sustain it for the final stages.

[Kano]

But we are much closer than those who get outrun from day one . At least we have some excuses and no one can count us out before April except this season .

well they can because it repeats itself every year so you know what is coming next - total collapse.

everything is if, if, if.

if's don't matter anymore.

we need concrete changes, not to continue living on a wish

[Coney]

08/09 - 18 points
09/10 - 11 points
10/11 - 12 points
11/12 - 15 points (currently)

we are and haven't been any nowhere near competing for the title.

Bar this season we always fucked up with 10 or 8 games remaining . that's competing I think .

And that is not the case this year - we have not fucked up with 10 games remaining. We actually fucked up in August. If you consider how the team has been performing since then and look at the perfomance since August/September, had we been doing that from the start, then we would be challenging for the title. The resilience shown by the team recently, when in previous years we showed a total collapse, is a change for the better. If we can maintain this mentality - we'll know that over the next month or two - and can beef up with Podolski and a couple of others over the summer, then we are in with a decent shout next season and I would then be reluctant to see the end of Wenger this time round. (If we don't end up with Podolski and ditch some of the dross, then Wenger must really go as we then have definite stagnation. However, I am optimistic).

[Cripps_orig]

We also fucked up in January tbh

[latewinner]

To be honest if ever there has been a manager who lives off reputation alone, it has to be Arsene Wenger. When we looked a serious doubt for the top 4, I still even read and heard pundits saying we'd be stupid to get rid of him and only he can make us great again etc. There seems to be this mythical aura around him, he is not talked about in the same vein as other managers who can be instantly fighting for their jobs at the first sign of bad form (ie. AVB).

People say no one is bigger than the club but the problem for us is that whether we like it or not, Wenger actually is. It's why some of us can't help but cling on by annually repeating the 'one more year' line. It's like we're stuck in a loveless marriage.

My issues don't stem from the lack of trophies alone, although we probably should have picked up a cup or 2 in recent years, but it's from the belief that when his teams get within touching distance of success or greatness, I'd bet my bottom dollar they won't pull through.

You're right. Ferguson doesn't even have Wenger's untouchable status. Wenger's position is unique. Many Arsenal just doesn't have a big view of their club, Wenger's time was unimaginable for them and we owe him everything. And it grates on me when that attitude comes from the media and other fans as if we're so ungrateful to question his methods.

Last line is true Wenger's a winner but at the same time he's a loser, it's weird, he can't reach greatness which is ultimately winning the champions league, or just managing successive league titles , there's a mental problem with his teams that stops them going all the way.

[Alpha]

And that is not the case this year - we have not fucked up with 10 games remaining. We actually fucked up in August. If you consider how the team has been performing since then and look at the perfomance since August/September, had we been doing that from the start, then we would be challenging for the title. The resilience shown by the team recently, when in previous years we showed a total collapse, is a change for the better. If we can maintain this mentality - we'll know that over the next month or two - and can beef up with Podolski and a couple of others over the summer, then we are in with a decent shout next season and I would then be reluctant to see the end of Wenger this time round. (If we don't end up with Podolski and ditch some of the dross, then Wenger must really go as we then have definite stagnation. However, I am optimistic).

That's true . At least we should give wenger the benefit of doubt until his fuck his chance up . we were soft in previous seasons but this time we have shown some mental resilience to come back from behind and win tough games .I wouldn't rule out Wenger for an unknown and untested manager to take the job .

[Kano]

I wouldn't rule out Wenger for an unknown and untested manager to take the job .

why not now? what difference would it make if he left now or end of next season? at some point he has to leave anyway, so why not now.

[Marc Overmars]

That's true . At least we should give wenger the benefit of doubt until his fuck his chance up . we were soft in previous seasons but this time we have shown some mental resilience to come back from behind and win tough games .I wouldn't rule out Wenger for an unknown and untested manager to take the job .

Benefit of the doubt.

Come on, he's been given plenty of that in recent years.

[latewinner]

Yes, really. We had a period of dominating English football once before. In the 1930s! It had been 60 years since then and while we'd always had trophies here and there the title in '89 was the first in 18 years and while we repeated it 2 years later by the mid-90s we were a very mid-table side who had some good Cup runs but never seriously looked like title contenders. So yes, winning 3 titles in 7 years and 2 of those being Double seasons (yes, we'd done it before but not for nearly 40 years and gave no indication of being able to repeat it although we were close in '91) was exceptional for the club in modern times.

Wenger can't live off that period of success forever of course and every season which goes by without a trophy more fans lose patience with him but to act like that period of success wasn't exceptional for our club is...well, it's just plain wrong. It was the best period since the 30s and not even Coney remembers that.

But the perception is it was too good for Arsenal so 7..8..9 seasons of no trophies and the same mistakes still can't allow us to question him and not be criticised for it. His success was exceptional because of the football we played and watching players like Henry, Bergkamp, Pires....
Ferguson's success is exceptional but even he is more accountable than Wenger and his fans aren't in debt to him as much as people think we are to Wenger.

So yeh his success was outstanding but impossible for a club of our stature, don't agree, even when English football was highly competitive pre 92 we won trophies, reached fa cup finals, had potential which Wenger realised, but we can go higher,
Anyway I'm going to stop talking about it because he's not going