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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Spain won Euro 2008, World Cup 2010 and Euro 2012 because they were the best team, and they peaked by 2012

    Low was Klinnsmans assistant in the 2006 World Cup and it was widely known that it was Low who was the brains of the operation and actually worked with the German football federation to invest in developing players through the academy system which would then get picked by the clubs to use in their youth teams.

    The world cup in Brazil how many players in that squad were 30 or more?, take away Mertesacker, Lahm and Klose and you'd struggle to find one. The side that won were an incredibly young side that had been shaped by Low and German football for some time.
    We're clearly not going to agree on this, but my take on it is I'm not a big fan, he's got no club pedigree at all and for me hasn't done as well as he could have at International level with the resources he's had.

    Spain were outstanding in 2008 but in 2010 they very much laboured to the cup, Germany IMO had at least a better or a slightly better team but ultimately lost in the semi's to Spain, I felt they could have maybe won that one.

    Klinsman was the manager in 2006 and ultimately the manager is the one that gets the credit because he's the most important of the non playing staff, so I don't see how you can say Low was the brains, if he had been he'd have been manager at the time not Klinsman.

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    Low is not on the list guys. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I think Real Madrid were desperate to get rid of Mourinho because he was sullying their reputation with his behaviour towards officials and managers.
    Chelsea he left in dead stuck because he cares more about his ego than addressing the problems with the team.

    What actual damage has Wenger done, whatever he does between now and the time he leaves the club is in a far stronger position than it was when he joined, no he hasn't pushed us on, yes he has persisted with non performing players. But personal frustration aside can you really say you fear for this clubs future, not competing for the big trophies is unacceptable but all it means is that the baton of progress needs to be handed on to someone else.

    I think he should go, but the idea that he's some cancer on the club rather than someone who has been allowed to live on past achievements for too long is absurd.
    There is also the possibility that we go through the phase Man Utd are the moment, or one relevant to our current position as a club. Same thing happened at Kyiv after Labonovskyi left in the early 00's.

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    Probably best to avoid International managers. Being able to cherry pick the best players in the country and have all of them arrive all motivated to play is different from having to pick players up from a form slump.

    Low seems decent and I considered him once but it's a risky transition. He's been managing Germany for nearly 10 years now. He hasn't had to deal with transfer windows, motivating an underperforming team and the day to day stuff.

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    A complete break from Wenger's philosophy, methods and legacy is required.

    This isn't like the Utd situation at all, not from a fan's point of view at least. At Utd they wanted to see more of the same from the new guy. Do we want to see any of the shit that has been happening at the club over the last decade? Hardly.

    We're still surfing past glories with the media insisting we play attractive, attacking football. Who knows what they have been watching. Our football is slow, negative, repetitive shite and has been that way for years - bar the odd game or, of late, partial game where the opponent suits us perfectly, doesn't try too hard and Wenger's mumbo jumbo has a chance to unfold in ideal circumstances.

    Our youth policy is shot to shit. We have a whole locker room full of garbage to clear out, with a few gems hidden under the rubbish pile. We don't want continuity in the shitty transfer policy. We don't need continuity in the shitty favouritism that allows players like Walcott to coast through a career. Everything Wenger needs to be brushed away. We need a manager who can do that.

    A Moyes style replacement, a steady Eddie, is out of the question anyway. We need somebody ambitious, dynamic and with his own explicit ideas on how to move this club up a level and deliver results. It will be almost impossible to find somebody with less ambition than Wenger, almost impossible to find somebody who is as tired and worn out and lacking a trace of dynamism, impossible to find somebody less capable of moving this club up in terms of football as opposed to the holy balance sheet.

    Stick a few names in a hat, pick one out, we'll be better off. Mind you, the owners might not be better off and I guess that's where the real issue lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    A complete break from Wenger's philosophy, methods and legacy is required.

    This isn't like the Utd situation at all, not from a fan's point of view at least. At Utd they wanted to see more of the same from the new guy. Do we want to see any of the shit that has been happening at the club over the last decade? Hardly.

    We're still surfing past glories with the media insisting we play attractive, attacking football. Who knows what they have been watching. Our football is slow, negative, repetitive shite and has been that way for years - bar the odd game or, of late, partial game where the opponent suits us perfectly, doesn't try too hard and Wenger's mumbo jumbo has a chance to unfold in ideal circumstances.

    Our youth policy is shot to shit. We have a whole locker room full of garbage to clear out, with a few gems hidden under the rubbish pile. We don't want continuity in the shitty transfer policy. We don't need continuity in the shitty favouritism that allows players like Walcott to coast through a career. Everything Wenger needs to be brushed away. We need a manager who can do that.

    A Moyes style replacement, a steady Eddie, is out of the question anyway. We need somebody ambitious, dynamic and with his own explicit ideas on how to move this club up a level and deliver results. It will be almost impossible to find somebody with less ambition than Wenger, almost impossible to find somebody who is as tired and worn out and lacking a trace of dynamism, impossible to find somebody less capable of moving this club up in terms of football as opposed to the holy balance sheet.

    Stick a few names in a hat, pick one out, we'll be better off. Mind you, the owners might not be better off and I guess that's where the real issue lies.
    But no Mourinho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    But no Mourinho?
    No, because he's an enemy of the club and an enemy of football. As a manager, no problem, he'd kill it here. For a while at least. But as a person, inconceivable.
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    Mourinho is a horrible man but he'd be able to deliver us a title with this current bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    Mourinho is a horrible man but he'd be able to deliver us a title with this current bunch.
    That man becoming our manager would be one of the few things that could make me stop watching Arsenal. Thankfully it will never happen.

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    If Mourinho became our Manager, I would not watch Arsenal or even take an interest in our results.

    I'd be out for the duration - which luckily would be a max of two seasons.

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