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    Quote Originally Posted by Cripps View Post
    We weren't arguing about letting the players off the hook for poor performances FFS. We were arguing about the shitty style we play and the useless tactics that every person on the planet figure out 10 years ago.

    If Ozil is being a lazy bastard I'll say so. It's not a case of having to be 100% consistent in applause or criticism. These things depend on events and circumstances. You want to criticise him all the time though.
    To be honest I'm finding player performances and Wengers poor excuse for management equally troubling. If players could formulate a system and a game plan by themselves there would no need for a manager but there are basics that should be required of every player who makes it into top flight football.

    Saturday tea time was frightening, how professional footballers could play like that....now you can blame Wenger all you like for that, but there's a thing called pride and these players played with none. They expected to turn up and when Preston let us know we were in a game the response was "fuck that".

    Yeah Wenger is at fault too, because he admitted they underestimated Preston, which leads me to conclude that he is responsible for a culture of total and utter complacency and the players are too lazy to step up themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    To be honest I'm finding player performances and Wengers poor excuse for management equally troubling. If players could formulate a system and a game plan by themselves there would no need for a manager but there are basics that should be required of every player who makes it into top flight football.

    Saturday tea time was frightening, how professional footballers could play like that....now you can blame Wenger all you like for that, but there's a thing called pride and these players played with none. They expected to turn up and when Preston let us know we were in a game the response was "fuck that".

    Yeah Wenger is at fault too, because he admitted they underestimated Preston, which leads me to conclude that he is responsible for a culture of total and utter complacency and the players are too lazy to step up themselves.
    This is where I'm coming from. We're not even getting the basics right or even have the right attitude to even execute a strategy. It's a double edged sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFC Leveller View Post
    Id prefer a new manager and ne wplayers if im honest, espcially if its someone like Simeone, a strong tactician and motivator who knows how to set up.
    Is it true that he's sent a very coded, cryptic, read between the lines come and get me plea? He's been quoted as saying Arsenal is the most stable club in Europe recently
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernesto View Post
    Is it true that he's sent a very coded, cryptic, read between the lines come and get me plea? He's been quoted as saying Arsenal is the most stable club in Europe recently
    I heard about that. It's a huge draw for any manager. Having the backing of the board is important when so many clubs are trigger happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    To be honest I'm finding player performances and Wengers poor excuse for management equally troubling. If players could formulate a system and a game plan by themselves there would no need for a manager but there are basics that should be required of every player who makes it into top flight football.

    Saturday tea time was frightening, how professional footballers could play like that....now you can blame Wenger all you like for that, but there's a thing called pride and these players played with none. They expected to turn up and when Preston let us know we were in a game the response was "fuck that".

    Yeah Wenger is at fault too, because he admitted they underestimated Preston, which leads me to conclude that he is responsible for a culture of total and utter complacency and the players are too lazy to step up themselves.
    Do bank cashiers have pride in the bank they work for?

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    Not sure I'd really want Simeone, as much as our football lacks for entertainment I actually hate watching Atletico Madrid play

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    It's not attractive, but at least we would see some kind of direction in our play.
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cripps View Post
    Do bank cashiers have pride in the bank they work for?

    Never make the mistake of imagining Arsenal is a football club. That all changed when we jumped into bed with the arabs.
    The Arabs?

    Who do you mean other than our stadium/shirt sponsor

    It's not like you can say we were owned by Nips when we had JVC as our sponsor.

    And neither the camel jockeys, the japs or the yanks are telling our players to not try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    You say this yet have trouble understanding why I'm not letting players off the hook for poor performances.

    It's the same argument I have the Wenger when it comes to the Board. Regardless of the targets are set low, I don't understand why these players haven't set a certain standard for themselves when they go out there. It's not just the manager letting us down out there.
    True, but isn't there one constant in all of the teams that have failed to perform over the last ten years?

    Same defensive liabilities.

    Same inability to turn up when required.

    Same same same same...

    Bored of reciting it now.

    Not every player is Alexis mind. Some players need guidance tactically, some need confidence...and in order to get the best out of them, they need complimentary players.

    But we know all of this. Yeah, I get angry at shirkers, but I'm more fed up we have come to expect it.
    Last edited by LDG; 09-01-2017 at 04:19 PM.
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    We need a strong captain IMO. Our greatest success came when we had proper captains.
    Wenger isn't a motivator, never has been. Who is out there getting them going when things are going wrong?

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