Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Ernesto]

This isn't a Wenger defence post. I think, like many, that he should leave. He perhaps should have left, or been asked serious questions about his tenure, in 2006 after an abysmal title challenge. A victim of his own success (we all are, no matter what line of work we're in), the employers are the ones who should be questioning him as to why he is underperforming.

I'm sure he loves the club. He isn't a mercenary. Yes, he has an extortionate wage packet, but I'm certain that the likes of Real Madrid (who have been coveting him for some time) would easily offer him more. There is something keeping him here even when the going gets tough and he, himself, could so easily walk.

In terms of a replacement, we have to use the example of other clubs. Manchester United wanted Klopp. He said no. What makes us think, on that basis, that he would come to us? Spurs wanted van Gaal. He said no because a better offer came in. Can we also afford to be 'competed out' of a good manager? The most pertinent question is, is there enough quality about? The most appetizing option I've heard is à Bergkamp/De Boer combination. Bergkamp doesn't tend to have problems with the English media (who, if you're not Mourinho, will be quick to hound you out if your surname isn't Smith) and he loves the club. Again, not a mercenary.

The most crucial thing for us is Champions League qualification. This echoes the views of other posters. How are we going to attract players, keep our own players and interview the very best managers out there without that carrot? As ridiculous as we think it sounds, it actually would be like a trophy this season, in my eyes. (But all hinging on the hope that Wenger leaves this summer)

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We will never know until we try.

Klopp this week stated he wanted to come to the EPL. Seemed like a come and get me plea.

He would be perfect.

[Globalgunner]

This isn't a Wenger defence post. I think, like many, that he should leave. He perhaps should have left, or been asked serious questions about his tenure, in 2006 after an abysmal title challenge. A victim of his own success (we all are, no matter what line of work we're in), the employers are the ones who should be questioning him as to why he is underperforming.

I'm sure he loves the club. He isn't a mercenary. Yes, he has an extortionate wage packet, but I'm certain that the likes of Real Madrid (who have been coveting him for some time) would easily offer him more. There is something keeping him here even when the going gets tough and he, himself, could so easily walk.

In terms of a replacement, we have to use the example of other clubs. Manchester United wanted Klopp. He said no. What makes us think, on that basis, that he would come to us? Spurs wanted van Gaal. He said no because a better offer came in. Can we also afford to be 'competed out' of a good manager? The most pertinent question is, is there enough quality about? The most appetizing option I've heard is à Bergkamp/De Boer combination. Bergkamp doesn't tend to have problems with the English media (who, if you're not Mourinho, will be quick to hound you out if your surname isn't Smith) and he loves the club. Again, not a mercenary.

The most crucial thing for us is Champions League qualification. This echoes the views of other posters. How are we going to attract players, keep our own players and interview the very best managers out there without that carrot? As ridiculous as we think it sounds, it actually would be like a trophy this season, in my eyes. (But all hinging on the hope that Wenger leaves this summer)

Nobody in competitive football covets Wenger anymore. That myth has well and truly been blown out of the water. He more than anyone else knows this that is why it will be hard to dislodge him. He wont go anywhere where winning above all is the imperative. He will not tire of underperforming at Arsenal, we will have to embarrass him out of the club it seems as he will not resign willingly. Sad, but it really has come to this. Kroenke, The board, Gazidis, None of them will do it only the fans by a show of absence or mass protest will free us from Wengers clutches.

[Bumble]

The unfortunate situation is that things won't change if we maintain top 4. But falling out of top 4 could lead to a struggle to get the right man in and the players without over the top salaries and fees like United have done. And they will struggle to do it for more than one season so what chance do we have.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We will never know until we try.

Klopp this week stated he wanted to come to the EPL. Seemed like a come and get me plea.

He would be perfect.

Two-three years ago i'd agree but i think he'd be a Wenger Mark II, his teams play entertaining football (like we once did) but he doesn't seem to be able to adjust his own teams tactics....talk about them losing key personnel as much as you like but defensively they are just as bad as us at the moment and his back four has largely been unchanged.
A few months ago i thought that if Wenger was to go ASAP we'd need a big name with experience of winning to come in, i'm not even sure that's the case we just need someone who can come in and get the basics right. Even going into this period with a lack of defensive options, the results do not reflect that there is quality in the squad....there is no excuse to hide behind. Chelsea for me were always going to win the title this season, but 15 points behind them at this stage?....a team that was battling against relegation six-seven weeks ago is now two points above us.
If Wenger had any pride and walked away, it's almost inevitable that the board would appoint Steve Bould even if it was just to the end of the season....Bould is the right choice for me he is the inside man that knows every aspect of the club but would bring a more street smart approach to us and would not be same messianic regard that everyone currently regards Arsene the demagogue.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Klopp's won 2 league titles, 1 fa cup, 2 community shields and got them to a champions league final in the last 5 years.

They also blitzed us when we played them this season.

No brainer.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Also a return of 11 points from 12 league games, including this weekend where they threw away a two nil lead

blitzing us is hardly even much of an achievement at this moment in time

Even if they beat us on Wednesday which i fully expect them to, i still have my reservations about him

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He's had 10 bad weeks and you're criticising him but you stick up for wenger who's had 10 bad years

[Power n Glory]

Also a return of 11 points from 12 league games, including this weekend where they threw away a two nil lead

blitzing us is hardly even much of an achievement at this moment in time

Even if they beat us on Wednesday which i fully expect them to, i still have my reservations about him

Bould over Klopp? What makes you think the players will respond to Bould once Wenger's gone? They're not responding to him now.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's had 10 bad weeks and you're criticising him but you stick up for wenger who's had 10 bad years

That's funny in my original response to you i called for Wenger to be replaced by Bould for the remainder of the season. And throughout this thread i've said i've wanted Wenger to go when the right man comes into to replace him....

If that's sticking up for the man, i'd hate to know what you think being critical is

Klopp has been treading water in the domestic league for the past few seasons, even if you consider that the German league is 34 games compared to 38 the point accumulation has certainly been no better than ours especially when you consider that outside of Bayern and Borussia Dortmund (and maybe Schalke and Leverkusen) most of the German teams would struggle to even remain in the Premier league.

It's not to say he couldn't adapt and make a good fist of things here, but to be honest if we got rid of Wenger right now it's probably unlikely Klopp would chuck in Dortmund to come to us anyway (even with his struggles in the Bundesliga he probably feels he can have a crack at the Champions League).